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Just revealed last night on a local station. The 911 operator never let the police know that the perp had guns. Police went there not knowing. Bulge
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I see a lot of sly gun hating messages in the media, about the moron being afraid for 2nd amendment rights and stuff.
Let's get it straight, his dog peed on the rug and he got into a fight with his Momma. She called 911.
The first breaking news just went right for the throat, and spewed the 2nd amendment reasons for his actions. It was a good 10-12 hours before the events leading up to the incident were mentioned.
Liberal media - in the tank for the Brady Bunch.
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Let's get it straight, his dog peed on the rug and he got into a fight with his Momma. She called 911.
The first breaking news just went right for the throat, and spewed the 2nd amendment reasons for his actions. It was a good 10-12 hours before the events leading up to the incident were mentioned.
Liberal media - in the tank for the Brady Bunch.
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Bulge,
The police should ALWAYS assume there are guns in the home. Don't blame the 911 operator. For that matter, the police are not to blame either. It was the crazy perp who shot the police that is to blame.
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The police should ALWAYS assume there are guns in the home. Don't blame the 911 operator. For that matter, the police are not to blame either. It was the crazy perp who shot the police that is to blame.
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The 911 conversation was put on TV and the mother of the perp who made the call told the operator that guns were present in the house. The operator never passed the info on to the Police. Apparently the mother, and the son had some minor scuffles with the law. The 911 operator is no longer a 911 operator. Bulge.
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It would be very easy for the police to run a check to see if the occupants of the house had any guns in their name. Hell, if they can do this before approaching a stopped vehicle before writing a speeding ticket, they can do it before answering a domestic violence situation at someone's house.
But, as 221 pointed out, do we want the cops to assume that anyone with a firearm registered in their name is a potential cop killer and come in with guns drawn? Be careful what you wish for.
With over 250 MILLION firearms in this country and with nearly half of all homes having at least one firearm, the cops should anticipate firearms in EVERY home they go into, especially on a domestic violence situation.
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But, as 221 pointed out, do we want the cops to assume that anyone with a firearm registered in their name is a potential cop killer and come in with guns drawn? Be careful what you wish for.
With over 250 MILLION firearms in this country and with nearly half of all homes having at least one firearm, the cops should anticipate firearms in EVERY home they go into, especially on a domestic violence situation.
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God Bless the fallen and their families no matter who is to blame it is truly crazy that anyone has to go through something like this. And then have the friend tell everyone on TV that he thought he had the right to bear arms... I love that I have my freedom but, I don't believe this is the meaning on that right. Shooting at a police office trying to help and never expecting this!!! Wrong on all accounts!
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Any chickenshit can hide in a closet and shoot people. What a cowardly bushwacker.
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Easystreet what check is it that the police can do to find out if you have guns in your house?
In my part of the country there are guns in pretty much every house but I don't know of any check a police officer can run to determine that for sure unless there had been previous calls and firearms use. I would never support a database for that purpose even though there may be a good side the risk of govt abuse of that list is way too great.
In my opinion only, if the 911 operator had knowledge of firearms at the location of a domestic call and knew that there had been problems there in the past with the bad guy, they should have informed the responding officers of those facts. Everyone knows that domestic calls are the most dangerous for police.
Also in my old fashioned opinion the 911 system where the same people dispatch firemen, emt's, dogcatchers, and police, is not an improvement over the old system where you called the police department yourself directly. Some 911 systems merely connect you to the correct department and that's ok I guess. I know I will get lots of flak for that but it's my opinion based on time on the job both as a cop and a fireman. In those days the dispatcher at the PD may have been an officer himself and in any case got daily breifing and would probably know the history of the guy the call was about. So they would pass along that important info to the responding officers.
In my part of the country there are guns in pretty much every house but I don't know of any check a police officer can run to determine that for sure unless there had been previous calls and firearms use. I would never support a database for that purpose even though there may be a good side the risk of govt abuse of that list is way too great.
In my opinion only, if the 911 operator had knowledge of firearms at the location of a domestic call and knew that there had been problems there in the past with the bad guy, they should have informed the responding officers of those facts. Everyone knows that domestic calls are the most dangerous for police.
Also in my old fashioned opinion the 911 system where the same people dispatch firemen, emt's, dogcatchers, and police, is not an improvement over the old system where you called the police department yourself directly. Some 911 systems merely connect you to the correct department and that's ok I guess. I know I will get lots of flak for that but it's my opinion based on time on the job both as a cop and a fireman. In those days the dispatcher at the PD may have been an officer himself and in any case got daily breifing and would probably know the history of the guy the call was about. So they would pass along that important info to the responding officers.
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I was in the line for over 30 years, and I never knew of a check where it was "easy for the police to run a check to see if the occupants of the house had any guns in their name" let alone before approaching a vehicle. Granted I did start in the dark ages with a wheelgun even before the wondernines were popular up until each and every car in the fleet was equipped with it's own Toughbook in car computer. I have been retired for a few years but still keep in touch with the trade magazines, and active duty LEOS. Also active in police supply sales. Maybe you could elaborate on what system or database this is?
It was hammered into our heads (again it was long ago!) that there was always at least one firearm present on ALL calls and that was your duty weapon!
It saddens me to see something like this. Somewhere there may have been a major snafu, but there is now maybe a widow, or a child that is without a father brother etc. It is lame for anyone that wasn't there with first hand knowledge to comment on the situation. Not pointing any fingers, but just my .02 cents worth. Rick Gibbs
It was hammered into our heads (again it was long ago!) that there was always at least one firearm present on ALL calls and that was your duty weapon!
It saddens me to see something like this. Somewhere there may have been a major snafu, but there is now maybe a widow, or a child that is without a father brother etc. It is lame for anyone that wasn't there with first hand knowledge to comment on the situation. Not pointing any fingers, but just my .02 cents worth. Rick Gibbs
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OK, guys, I made a mistake. I was wrong about the police being able to easily check to see if you had guns registered in your name. I was thinking about something else. Sorry about that.
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came through Pittsburgh twice today. they had the parkway shut down from 10 till 1. overhead signs saluting the fallen. very sad indeed
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