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Thought I would put this on a new thread since the old one is getting so long and varied.

I talked Federal and this is what he had to say. First regarding the supply of ammo in the pipeline-- the company and distributors would at the most have about a year and a half worth of stock. Having said that he did say there would be concern on his part because since the election they have seen a “lot of stocking up” and he had no way to guess what the factor was but definitely more that normal. Based on that at this time Federal feels that there is a minimum of 2 years of 1 1/8 ammo in the pipeline. He was quick to point out that they had no idea what the normal stock up factor for the rest of the shooters.


Now on to the speed issue. Federal does not see a problem from their end. If you tell them that the maximum loads shall average 1200 fps that is what they will make. Right now all their ammo is marked as to speed on the box. All this ammo is tested on their induction coil. I was told this is the only accurate way to measure velocity on shotshells. If you measure on a regular chronograph sometimes you measure the first pellet(s), sometimes the last, and sometimes the middle “wad” of shot. This is why screen chronos show a lot of variation in shotshells. This is not a problem with single projectiles. Federal’s most consistent line of ammo has a variation of about 35 fps and their “worst” will be about 70 fps. I was told it doesn’t really matter what the variation is as long as the average is 1200 that is what the ammo will average. If you make the max 1200 fps average it will definitely be slower than the handicap loads they currently make.


His comment was just go back to 1200 fps for the rule and the ammo companies will build just that. His comment was that the great majority of the top handicap shots were shooting factory ammo anyway so this would solve that problem. When asked about regulating the rule his comment was the only regulation that has ever existed came from the manufactures anyway so why try to reinvent the horse.

I asked Tom Wilkinson what he thought about 1 versus 1 1/18 loads and his comment was that he had done a lot of testing and he really thought you could be effective from the 27 with 1 ounce. The one caveat is that it has to be 6% antimony lead or it will not make it. The 3% shot will not pattern well enough to be consistent at the 27 and with the 3% you will really get a lot of holes in the pattern that will cause probable missed birds. He also thinks that one ounce may be better for the younger generation and the women
 

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Thought I would put this on a new thread since the old one is getting so long and varied.

I talked Federal and this is what he had to say. First regarding the supply of ammo in the pipeline-- the company and distributors would at the most have about a year and a half worth of stock. Having said that he did say there would be concern on his part because since the election they have seen a “lot of stocking up” and he had no way to guess what the factor was but definitely more that normal. Based on that at this time Federal feels that there is a minimum of 2 years of 1 1/8 ammo in the pipeline. He was quick to point out that they had no idea what the normal stock up factor for the rest of the shooters.


Now on to the speed issue. Federal does not see a problem from their end. If you tell them that the maximum loads shall average 1200 fps that is what they will make. Right now all their ammo is marked as to speed on the box. All this ammo is tested on their induction coil. I was told this is the only accurate way to measure velocity on shotshells. If you measure on a regular chronograph sometimes you measure the first pellet(s), sometimes the last, and sometimes the middle “wad” of shot. This is why screen chronos show a lot of variation in shotshells. This is not a problem with single projectiles. Federal’s most consistent line of ammo has a variation of about 35 fps and their “worst” will be about 70 fps. I was told it doesn’t really matter what the variation is as long as the average is 1200 that is what the ammo will average. If you make the max 1200 fps average it will definitely be slower than the handicap loads they currently make.


His comment was just go back to 1200 fps for the rule and the ammo companies will build just that. His comment was that the great majority of the top handicap shots were shooting factory ammo anyway so this would solve that problem. When asked about regulating the rule his comment was the only regulation that has ever existed came from the manufactures anyway so why try to reinvent the horse.

I asked Tom Wilkinson what he thought about 1 versus 1 1/18 loads and his comment was that he had done a lot of testing and he really thought you could be effective from the 27 with 1 ounce. The one caveat is that it has to be 6% antimony lead or it will not make it. The 3% shot will not pattern well enough to be consistent at the 27 and with the 3% you will really get a lot of holes in the pattern that will cause probable missed birds. He also thinks that one ounce may be better for the younger generation and the women
 

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Thanks for making the call, Phil. Did they offer to help us write a rule and test suspect ammo? I've got a four-foot cube of Federal 118-7.5 (three dram papers.) Are these going to be legal?

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Thanks for making the call, Phil. Did they offer to help us write a rule and test suspect ammo? I've got a four-foot cube of Federal 118-7.5 (three dram papers.) Are these going to be legal?

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Neil, with all those papers on hand (lucky dog) why not test them or call Fereral and ask them if they would average 1200 fps? Jim
 

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Neil, with all those papers on hand (lucky dog) why not test them or call Fereral and ask them if they would average 1200 fps? Jim
 

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Concrete is the cheapest building material you can find. Just pour it! It's only $120 a yard so that equates to $15 for a 3'x3'pad or $75/field if you don't connect the pads or double that if you want to connect the pads.
 

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Concrete is the cheapest building material you can find. Just pour it! It's only $120 a yard so that equates to $15 for a 3'x3'pad or $75/field if you don't connect the pads or double that if you want to connect the pads.
 
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