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It looks like it might be happening here soon. Rumor is complete closure within 2 months.

After all, we cant have guns on an Air Force Base and the golf course wants more holes.

Please be in touch with your elected officials and ask them to find out why we are being shut down instead of re-located on the other side of the base.
 

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Is the range run by MWR, by the base or a private type club ... chances are it is run by MWR and contacting your elected officials wont really do a bit of good but it is always worth a try.
 

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WoW!!!

I hope that does not affect Tri-Service Sportsman on Buckly!! Great club - I ran it for 3 yeqrs!! - back when we worked out of an old trailer house and a storage shed!! It is a first class place now!! Anybody heard anything??

1-Straight
 

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Too bad! It is a nice club. They used to hold the Armned Forces Skeet Shoot there. With more and more P.C. LIBERALS in the mix, it doesn't really suprise me.A lot of history down the drain. The P.C. liberal scum bags will ruin not only the Military, but the whole country!
 

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I was stationed at Pete Field in the mid-90s and shot at the range. Also shot the Armed Forces Skeet Shoot there a couple of times. As someone already mentioned, the range was more than likely run by MWR. That said, with the scrutiny placed on all branches of the military regarding spending, the MWR facilities had to become self-sufficient and profitable.
 

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Kind of off topic but my brother is stationed in Colorado springs. Any good places to shoot there? I should be going to see him sometime this summer.
 

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If the range is run by MWR they will close it and thats that ... just like what happened to the Oceana ranges. It was not producing enough profit for them to justify fencing of the ranges per a recomendation from the base for security purposes so they closed it.

Money is what keeps them open ... and I dont mean this in a bad way but if there had been more shooters creating a very positive cash flow for the range they would most likely not be closing it but instead moving it to another location. It aint about shooters any longer at most ranges but instead all about money.
 

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Because it is not politically correct to have anything with "guns" around, and YES I DO think they play a huge roll in it. Before I retrired from the military, it was quite obovious to me that more and more libs were being put in positions of control.As more and more civilians replaced military personel, the liberal influence began to grow. Most military(myself included) looked on them in disgust. I know some would argue that it is purely "finiancal" forces that drive all decisions, but I've seen lots of "money losers" remain, mostly because they were P.C. The MWR people are now nearly ALL civilian(didn't used to be). More and more P.C. liberals being hired by the DOD now. Many are liberal yuppie females, put in place by the EEOC programs. They are just "agast" at anything traditional(especially it involves guns) Yes I "DO" think liberals are going to ruin this country (just like they have ruined Europe). Liberals are ANTI-GUN period! Closing down a shooting range fills them with pure glea !
 

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DA, nobody said anything about hate, why are you babbling about that? Despising liberals isn't hate, it's just normal thinking for rational people. Liberals like you and sammie are revolting, repulsive, moronic, stupid and pathetic POSs. Other that that, you're wimps.
 

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Anonymous,-- Don't worry, resposes like that from liberals do not rattle me much. As I said before, there are getting to be more of them on here. I guess a typo of the word "glee" was a big deal to them. Anyway I've got a few years on me, and can truly say in all my years on this earth, I have "NEVER" met a liberal that was not anti gun. Some more than others, but none truly beleive in the second ammendmemt. It just goes with the territory. Liberals will accuse anybody who doesn't buy their left wing socialist B.S. as "close minded". They always cry "tolerance" when in fact they are the most "intolerant" people on earth. As far as HATE goes. They are the biggest offenders, and full of venom most of the time. Hypocrisy is their biggest talent.-- Back to the issue at hand, I DO hope the range at Peterson stays open for I have some good memories from there, but in today's climate I know it is a long shot at best.
 

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Actually Irfner, this has nothing whatever to do with military firearms training since they don't train with shotguns. Nobody ever said that Peterson AFB would no longer be involved with firearms qualification. Wake up !!!!
 

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anonymous, I think he said it with a bit of tounge in cheek. It was a swipe at the politically correct way of thinking, if I got his drift right.
 

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OK, Fred, let me make it clearer for you. What this is about is the closing of a clay target range. I seriously doubt that Marines train on clay targets. I can say with certainty that the AF doesn't. In any case, the Pete Field was a recreational facility operated by MWR.
 

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Senior Officers in today's military are very liberal, most are ANTI Gun the reason is that to become a General Officer you need to the the approval of Congress there for if you are pro-gun and a Colonel you will be at your terminal grade.

I save the Skeet range in Albany GA in 1998 just before I left. The Commanding General was PRO Gun he found the money to fix the buildings and I reconditioned the machines. I did the same at Quantico to s certain extent but the base makes it very hard to use the ranges as they are MILITARY training ranges.

The best hope for our game is to get a vocal as the MINORTY of ANTI-Gunners.

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Some info you guys may not be aware of:this is about $$$ and NOT about anti's,libs or any of that political stuff.

MWR lost all of it's slot machines in Korea last year which contributed about 80+ percent of their total profits.Their expenses are going up big time w/ the multi million $ major remodel of their facility in Honolulu,and they just rebuilt their lodge/golf course in Garmich Germany last year -big big $.

My guess and it is only a guess is that they are starting to phase out of the range business because there is no $ in it.MWR is driven by budgets and returns and is not a non profit organization.Another problem is that there a very few military shooters: too expensive!
 

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No it is about the anti's and the lib's.

As paranoidaly wacked out people we all know it has nothing to do about anything other than the anti's and the lib's ... they want to take away everything in the world from us that we enjoy. They would want to take away our tallwackers and our womens scoothies as well but we need those to procreate more anti's and libs for them to take over the world.

Its about money ... nothing more and nothing less than about money. If it aint producing a positive cash flow of a certain % they will close them when they have a chance. Oh well ... tough luck ... if you want to keep them open why not make it a membership club and lease the land from the base, buy the equipment from MWR and run it as a member/guest club paying fees to the base or fees to MWR?
 

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FYI ... Quantico's bunker trap, skeet and wobble tran ranges were there to support the Marine Corps shotgun team which competed in various shotgun sports. It never has been a range for actual military training. When the Marine Corps disbanded the shotgun team they not only destroyed many fine shotguns but also basicly gave the equipment to the shooting club there on the base. Unless something has changed the shotgun ranges are still basiclly controlled by Weapons Training Battalion on the base but they are they are the responsibility of the shooting club.

The Marine Corps never did train Marines to shoot skeet or trap. Depending on your duty Marines are trained in the use of the shotgun but they are not trained on skeet or trap ranges.
 

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While in the Marines we went to the ranges to fire shotguns to be proficient as Brig chasers. Took many to the Brig. made a believer out of me...
 
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