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The market has gotten a little soft on those.
The You can buy it now price is $15,500.00

I recall used guns selling for North of 20K.
I sure who ever buys it will appreciate it.

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I can remember when I could of bought one from Tom Seitz brand new for under $5000.00. We had one that sold here a year or two ago for around $12,000/ $13,000, the condition on it was OK nothing special.
 
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I saw one of these back in the early 80's at Paine Field in Everett, WA. I was new to shooting and was shooting a Model 12 at that time. The Seitz Gun was like nothing I had ever seen before. Still remember that like yesterday.

It's kind of amazing now to know what I do about trap guns and all the things offered on current built guns that this gun doesn't have. Funny how things progress over 35 plus years.

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Quite the difference in the quality of wood from number 22 to 42. #22 looks like it was just built and polished, and #42 looks like it has a lot of stories to be told.

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#22 has been listed before and I questioned that it isn't checkered. In talking to people that knew Tom Seitz and remember when he was selling the guns there were times that he was backed up and the customer was in a hurry for his gun, imagine that, some of the guns were sent out without being checkered to get it to them quicker. Every one Tom's guns probably has a story/stories behind it.

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I always wanted a Seitz after meeting Tom when I was a kid in the mid/late 80's. I still might get one someday if the right opportunity presents itself, but I'm very satisfied with my Bowen's.

Jim R - #42 is Denzel's old gun...that's had some rounds down the pipe for sure! #22 has "Gene Keen" engraved on it; did he have a brother named Ken Keen (butcher maybe)? This is taking me back in the time machine..
 

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Porting is something that Tom Seitz believed in and was one of his "specialty's". I don't think that I've seen a barrel that he "massaged" that wasn't ported. But then, I haven't seen everything.
Good luck in your search.

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I've got a barrel he did for pigeons. It has his style of porting and for some reason it doesn't clog up like some other porting that copies his.
 

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Was only kidding. I can’t afford em. Porting to each there own. I’m just glad Cutts compensators are not still in the rage. If my grandpa could have put em on a side by side, he would have
 

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From Bruce's website
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"The Bowen Trap Gun is a very close replica of the original Tom Seitz Trap Gun. The most significant change is point of impact. We felt the takedown system on the original gun was very important and a great example of Tom Seitz’s inventive genius. Break open guns loosen because the hook on the monoblock (which hooks on the hinge pin) bends down from continuous shooting and from the barrel which drops down on opening. The original design, also used in the Bowen Trap Gun, completely surrounds the hinge pin and, therefore, the gun stays tight. To take our gun apart, simply remove the keeper pin and push out the hinge pin. The process takes about 10 seconds, a very small compromise in exchange for the durability.

Every surface inside and out of the Bowen Trap Gun is polished. All the internal parts are polished and titanium nitride coated. We make our guns from 4140 steel, which is heat treated to 45/47 Rockwell. The internal parts are made from S7 steel, which is heat treated to 58 Rockwell. This process doubles the cost of production because the parts must be remachined and polished after heat treat. Most shotguns today are made from prehardened material which is much softer and less durable than heat treated 4140. Some guns are made from stainless steel, which doesn’t compare in durability, either.

We use the best barrels available and measure the concentricity and straightness of each blank. Our concentricity tolerances are +/- .004. (Many trap guns we have measured show a concentricity of .010 or more). We guarantee this tight tolerance and have ultrasound gauges to accurately measure over the full length of the barrel. Barrels that are not concentric will

change point of impact as they heat up.

We shoot each gun over 50 times in our underground range during the manufacturing process to insure 90%+ pattern density and point of impact. We also shoot a SAAMI proof load in each gun to ensure strength and safety. We mark each gun on the bottom of the barrel, near the monoblock, with the bore size (generally about .740), the choke size (generally about .704), and the point of impact and the date of manufacture.

Our factory uses as CNC furnace to silver braze the one-piece ribs onto the barrel. This furnace is programmed to subject the barrel to minimum stresses during the brazing process. We NEVER bend or straighten a barrel."
 

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I've got a barrel he did for pigeons. It has his style of porting and for some reason it doesn't clog up like some other porting that copies his.
That's because the pressure is better in flyer loads! My Mirage had his porting and shooting clay loads it clogged. Shooting flyers the holes were sterile!
 

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Doesn't seem to matter what I shoot through it. I doubt with the pressures we're talking about an extra 16th oz. is gonna make that much difference. Some handicap loads probably run at the same or more pressure as a pigeon load. Jmho.
 

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I always wanted a Seitz after meeting Tom when I was a kid in the mid/late 80's. I still might get one someday if the right opportunity presents itself, but I'm very satisfied with my Bowen's.

Jim R - #42 is Denzel's old gun...that's had some rounds down the pipe for sure! #22 has "Gene Keen" engraved on it; did he have a brother named Ken Keen (butcher maybe)? This is taking me back in the time machine..
No, Gene Keen did not have a brother named Ken. Gene was my father and passed in 2012.
 
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