Gene, I think you'll find that there is too much distortion in the Oakley lenses, I have the iridium gold, persimmon, gray m framed, and all of them give unacceptable distortion,not as bad up and down, but side to side,wow! especially in doubles when you take the first target and instantly move your eyes to lock on the second one, the first few times this happened I thought the wind came up and was doing tricks to the targets,but alas there was no wind! that's the reason many very accomplished shooters tend to shy away as they have experienced the same thing, hope this helps. incinerate em!