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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-25239433

More than likely there are a few of the regular posters here braving the cold for a few minutes, to attempt guilting companies into raising their wages.
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Bunch of losers who have been convinced by their marxist 'community organizer' in the union that they have not failed to educate themselves and are toooo lazy to work hard enough to get ahead but that instead the rich ass company is stealing the 'living wage' from them.

They didn't fail to prepare, the system robbed them.

Marxist,communist, socialist, progressive, demonrat. Not a lot of difference these days.

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MickeyDee's food is on the cusp of being too expensive right now. For two adults to eat there, you'd better have a $20 on you, $10 won't cover it anymore, and the last I heard, there wasn't any $15 dollar bill.

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Gee why should a person need to advance their job skill set beyond the teenage level just to make a decent wage? Ya all wan fries wif dat?
 

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I would be interested for results from a survey which asks them what qualifies them including education for an increase in salary. Voting for BO should not be considered. ed
 

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The SEIU is behind all this.



Fast Food Forward, the group organizing the fast-food strikes set for New York City tomorrow, bills itself as a “movement of NYC fast food workers to raise wages and gain rights at work.”

However, KleinOnline has found the group is actually a front for the progressive SEIU labor union and is led by paid professionals from the union as well as from the latest incarnation of the controversial ACORN group.

While it has been highly publicized that SEIU – Service Employees International Union – backs the fast-food protests, the new revelation shows its paid employees are actually leading and organizing a major component of the movement.

Besides directing the New York contingent, Fast Food Forward has been instrumental in fueling the protests scheduled nationwide.

Fast Food Forward’s president and lead organizer is activist Kendall Fells. He has been widely quoted by news media as simply organizing for the fast-food group.

USA Today, for example, reported: “Kendall Fells, a New York City-based organizer for Fast Food Forward, said demonstrations are planned for 100 cities, in addition to the 100 cities where workers will strike.”

The New York Times labeled Fells only as one of Fast Food Forward’s main organizers.

UPI similarly reported Fells is “one of the organizers of Thursday’s strikes.”

Fells, however, is more than just a Fast Food Forward organizer. He has been a paid SEIU organizer since at least 2007.

In 2007, Fells took in $73,129 as an SEIU organizer. In 2008, his SEIU salary increased to $95,913.

In 2009, Fells made $100,071 from his SEIU efforts. He made a similar salary in 2010.

In 2011, Fells’ SEIU salary jumped to $120,151. Last year, he took in $111,000 as a New York City coordinator for the SEIU.

Meanwhile, Fast Food Forward’s secretary-treasurer is activist Kevin Doyle.

KleinOnline found Doyle has been employed by the SEIU since 2009. He is currently executive vice president of SEIU Local 32BJ.

Fast Food Forward’s vice president is Jonathan Westin.

It turns out Westin doubles as organizing director for New York Communities for Change, the reincarnation of ACORN.

SEIU’s Fells has a history of leading front groups that purport to be independent but are actually part of SEIU.

One of his latest stints was as lead organizer of ThisIsOurDC.org. The group, which stormed the offices of politicians, claims to be a not-for-profit working to “provide Washington, D.C., residents with opportunities to find good-paying jobs that have good benefits and good working conditions.”

In 2012, the Daily Caller reported ThisIsOurDC.org was incorporated by SEIU. The movement was run from an SEIU office.

Fells’ ThisIsOurDC group worked closely with Occupy DC. The Occupy DC group reportedly was run from a $4,000-per-month office paid for by SEIU.
 

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Gov’t Unions Spend BIG Money for Obama Re-Election

On November 7, 2012, in Campaign Finance, Congress, Corruption, Economy, General News, Obama, Political Contributions, Public Employees Unions, Taxes, Teachers Unions, Unions Revealed, by Warner Todd Huston
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-By Warner Todd Huston

The Service Employees International Union (SEIU) spent more money to re-elect Obama than Obama’s super PAC even spent to re-elect Obama!

The SEIU is one of the most powerful unions in the nation. It is also essentially a government union. Not all the members of the SEIU work for the government, of course, but a large number of them do.

The SEIU spent $64 million to re-elect Obama. Obama’s own super PAC spent a third less for the same purpose.

The SEIU isn’t the only government union that spent millions to re-elect Obama and to push Democrats into office. The American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees (AFSCME) spent over $100 million — a fifth of which went to re-elect Obama — on Democrat politicians and causes this year.

The SEIU and AFSCME weren’t the only ones, either.

Of course, these unions spent hundreds of millions on Democrats because Democrats favor unions over workers and the private sector. Obama and Democrats favor giving billions in tax dollars directly to the greedy union bosses that use that money to pad their pockets and re-elect more Democrats to continue the destructive, un-American cycle.

These government unions should not exist. Even the left’s most beatified President, Franklin Roosevelt, know that government unions were an illicit idea. The fact is, government unions are antithetical to good government. It is a parasitic relationship. Unions give Democrats money for their election efforts so that Democrats will give unions more money. Once unions get the money courtesy of the tax payers, they donate even more to Democrats who then turn around and give yet more tax dollars to unions… and so it goes, on and on in perpetuity.

And who is cut out of having any say or influence in this destructive cycle? You the voters.








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Bunch of dumbasses.

How many 10 dollar quarter pounders do you think they will sell before shutting the business down?


While McDonald franchisees make pretty good money, there is a huge investment, and the ones I knew ( I did their all music systems in this area) were there 12 hours a day 5 days a week.

Bunch of dumbasses.

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What will happen is automation.

No one needs to fry a burger. Burger King has not had a human flipping burgers for decades. They go down a conveyor belt and are "flame broiled" automatically. No human decision or error in cooking. No paying a burger flipper.

At most burger joints the customers are already filling their own drinks.

The humans man the cash register, cycle the fries, and hand the food over. All of this can be automated.

Push the right buttons and swipe your card, and automation can add what you want to your burger, then wrap it and send it down a chute into a bag.

Not every job position can be automated out. But enough minimum wage jobs can be eliminated to offset the $15/hour jobs.

In the end, there will simply be MORE people unemployed.
 

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I'm split on this one. With my experience I have concluded someone is vastly overpaid or another is vastly underpaid. I just haven't determined which one.

I eat at Mickey D's for breakfast about once or twice a week. I'm amassed at the efficiency, there can be 15 customers in the line and I still get my order in less than 5 minutes. I go inside so this is not counting the two dozen cars in the drive thru. And this efficiencies is provide with most workers being part time and making min. wage.

On the hand I can go to my local post office and I will wait on average over 30 minutes with only a few customers in front of me, and those workers are making in excess of 55K a year with full bennies.

I'm self employed and I am licensed. Every year I have to renew my license at a local county office. I just plan on spending most of the day there, because of the rude, ill mannered, give a sh__less government employees, who I depend on to renew my license. If I get out in less than 4 hours I'm happy.

Now I wonder - who is underpaid or overpaid? The Mickey D employee who takes my order and fills it in less than 5 minutes or the ill mannered government worker who doesn't care whether I spend 5 minutes in line or 5 days?

And don't tell me it takes more skill to work at the post office or the local county office.
 

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What needs to happen here is what Ronald Regan did to the air traffic controllers when they went on strike.....FIRE'EM ALL. Then replace them with new people at a $1.00 less per hour.

Then Obama can claim that he has actuially created some new jobs.


hapless idiots....
 

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Bisi,

Excellent analogy there. I have thought the same way on these things. One does have to qualify and pass some tests to be employed by the USPS, but I still wonder about the IQ and attitude of many of them. You only have to be breathing and have a heartbeat to be employed my Mickey D's. No one there knows how to back count money and were it not for the register telling them how much to give back, they would be clueless.

Darn few of them want to better themselves with a higher education/trade school, so they are stuck with the level of work/pay that is available for them. Also most would rather spend their extra money on booze, tattoos, or bling on their rides. Their is not much priority in their lives, just spend what you get as fast as you can.

It's a catch 22 fer sure. But, although we have the cheapest food prices in the world right here in the USA, they will start going up if labor goes up, and they will spend it all on something else when they get it.

There was a financial adviser who told of the three couples that came to him for advice. Long story short, they all would have traded places with the next couple up the income ladder, but each couple were spending more than they took in each month. They just had more expensive tastes, but same problem. In some people, it can't be fixed.
 

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Gentlemen:

We all have opinions. Here are some FACTS about organized labor.

What follows below the line is selected text from a January 23, 2013 Press Release from the U.S. Department of Labor’s Bureau of Labor Statistics. The original release can be accessed at:

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/union2.nr0.htm

Read the supporting details for yourself but the reality is this…

- For better or worse, the number of bargaining unit employees in the U.S. labor force drops every year. That may be because a majority of union members are between the ages of 55 and 64 and those 24 and under are only 4.2% of the brotherhood.



- Like them or not, public sector unions represent an ABSOLUTE MAJORITY of bargaining unit employees in the U.S. labor force.

- Whether good, bad, or indifferent, public sector union membership IS the face of organized labor.

As an aside, the Service Employees International Union (SEIU) is the largest private sector union. Approximately 1.3 million of the total 7 million private sector union members (nearly 20%) are affiliated with the SEIU.

NOTE: The text that follows was cut and pasted into a WORD document. The correct format doesn’t always carry over.

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UNION MEMBERS -- 2012


In 2012, the union membership rate--the percent of wage and salary workers who were members of a union--was 11.3 percent, down from 11.8 percent in 2011.

The number of wage and salary workers belonging to unions, at 14.4 million, also declined over the year. In 1983, the first year for which comparable union data are available, the union membership rate was 20.1 percent, and there were 17.7 million union workers.


Highlights from the 2012 data:

--Public-sector workers had a union membership rate (35.9 percent) more than five times higher than that of private-sector workers (6.6 percent).

--Workers in education, training, and library occupations and in protective service occupations had the highest unionization rates, at 35.4 and 34.8 percent, respectively.

--Black workers were more likely to be union members than were white, Asian, or Hispanic workers.


Industry and Occupation of Union Members

In 2012, 7.3 million employees in the public sector belonged to a union, compared with 7.0 million union workers in the private sector. The union membership rate for public-sector workers (35.9 percent) was substantially higher than the rate for private-sector workers (6.6 percent). Within the public sector, local government workers had the highest union membership rate, 41.7 percent. This group includes workers in heavily unionized occupations, such as teachers, police officers, and firefighters.

Private-sector industries with high unionization rates included transportation and utilities (20.6 percent) and construction (13.2 percent). Low unionization rates occurred in agriculture and related industries (1.4 percent) and in financial activities (1.9 percent).

Among occupational groups, education, training, and library occupations (35.4 percent) and protective service occupations (34.8 percent) had the highest unionization rates in 2012. Sales and related occupations (2.9 percent) and farming, fishing, and forestry occupations (3.4 percent) had the lowest unionization rates.

Selected Characteristics of Union Members

The union membership rate was higher for men (12.0 percent) than for women (10.5 percent) in 2012. The gap between their rates has narrowed considerably since 1983, when the rate for men was 24.7 percent and the rate for women was 14.6 percent.

In 2012, among major race and ethnicity groups, black workers had a higher union membership rate (13.4 percent) than workers who were white (11.1 percent), Asian (9.6 percent), or Hispanic (9.8 percent). Black men had the highest union membership rate (14.8 percent), while Asian men had the lowest rate (8.9 percent).

By age, the union membership rate was highest among workers ages 55 to 64 (14.9 percent). The lowest union membership rate occurred among those ages 16 to 24 (4.2 percent).

Full-time workers were about twice as likely as part-time workers to be union members, 12.5 percent compared with 6.0 percent.

Union Representation

In 2012, 15.9 million wage and salary workers were represented by a union. This group includes both union members (14.4 million) and workers who report no union affiliation but whose jobs are covered by a union contract (1.6 million). Private-sector employees comprised about half (814,000) of the 1.6 million workers who were covered by a union contract but were not members of a union.

Earnings

In 2012, among full-time wage and salary workers, union members had median usual weekly earnings of $943, while those who were not union members had median weekly earnings of $742. In addition to coverage by a collective bargaining agreement, this earnings difference reflects a variety of influences, including variations in the distributions of union members and nonunion employees by occupation, industry, firm size, or geographic region.
 

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dirt stirrer, how is the typical Mickey D worker you discribe (booze, tattoes, bling) different from the government worker, other than being efficent. LMAO!
 

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Bisi, it's not the workers so much that makes McD's work, it's the system they use. And it's constantly under review and being improved wherever possible.

And it's not the $7.50/hr people making that happen.

FWIW if you are at 7.50 in the fast food industry and can't move up, then you are worth 7.50. Managers don't get 7.50. Neither do the people who service the equipment and drive the trucks.

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It's about priorities bisi. Government workers at least have a little more discretionary funds to do that stuff. Many of the minimum wage workers spend their limited funds on booze, tattoos, and bling first, then run out of money to feed kids or pay rent. I see it here in my area.
 

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Well, if one is going to talk about efficiency of workers at McDonald's, one must also take into account all the screwed up orders you get in the drive through. At least McDonald's has never failed to put cheese on a burger. Burger King is notorious for this.
 

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Which is exactly why they ain't worth $15 an hour.
 
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