new diamond grade aa shot shells
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Sporting clays version, yes. I don't think anyone has seen the trap version yet. It says not plated. I posted a pic.
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Today, unfortunately these companies are run by bean counters. Basically, smart individuals that play golf and in reality have no idea with regards to the shooting sports. They have huge marketing & advertising departments.
They introduced some gimmick of a product and guess what, the sales sucked wind! Why?
Well, first off the product wasn't even legal in the largest of the shooting sports, Trap!
Now, it looks like they might possibly reintroduce the product and eliminate the selling feature that was supposed to make it better. So, what's the advantage over Super Handicap Shells NOW?
1, Cheaper Steel Base - Not Brass
2, Same Primer
3, Same Powder
4, Same Wad
5, SAME SHOT!
CHEAPER SHELL - MORE EXPENSIVE - HIGHER PROFITS, but people would have to buy them, before they would make a dime!
MG
They introduced some gimmick of a product and guess what, the sales sucked wind! Why?
Well, first off the product wasn't even legal in the largest of the shooting sports, Trap!
Now, it looks like they might possibly reintroduce the product and eliminate the selling feature that was supposed to make it better. So, what's the advantage over Super Handicap Shells NOW?
1, Cheaper Steel Base - Not Brass
2, Same Primer
3, Same Powder
4, Same Wad
5, SAME SHOT!
CHEAPER SHELL - MORE EXPENSIVE - HIGHER PROFITS, but people would have to buy them, before they would make a dime!
MG
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I know I’m seeing a lot of those hulls on sporting courses
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I believe there are 2 different variants of this shell. One designed for sporting clays that is copper plated and one designed for ata trap which is not. The copper plated sporting loads were first introduced in the diamond grade aa line up.
Copper plated Sporting loads- https://winchester.com/Products/Ammunition/Shotshell/AA-Diamond-Grade
Non copper ATA Trap- Home - Primed for '21 - Winchester Ammunition
Copper plated Sporting loads- https://winchester.com/Products/Ammunition/Shotshell/AA-Diamond-Grade
Non copper ATA Trap- Home - Primed for '21 - Winchester Ammunition
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There advertised 8% antimony shot. Is their supposed benefit, I guess.
I believe Tim did a test on a couple of these new Elite shells. He found the shot to be more deformed and slightly softer than the standard AA shot. I was interested in buying the new Elite shells last Spring with their $2 rebate. So, Tim's testing saved me some cash, and I now feel like I have a better shell in the process. "Thanks Tim"!!!!
Seems to me (and you) its just a marketing ploy by Winchester to compete head to head with some of the plated Euro shells coming into the Sporting Clay marketplace. Winchester was losing business to these shells. So, These new plated shells are geared directly to the Sporting Clay crowd to get there share of the market back!!! Seems Winchester has now found out there shells were illegal in ATA. So they came out with a special line geared just for the Trap Shooters now. This line was not released last year. So, it must be a line released recently. Sporting Clay shooters will pay 10 bucks or more for throw away shells. I doubt you will find to many Trap shooters doing this. I can't see any skeet shooters buying this ammo at all. Does it make any difference??? Heck, I still remember reloading nothing but chilled shot when I was a kid. No one told us our shot was too soft back then. LOL. break em all jeff
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The OP posted a link (never mind the post one above the quoted post) showing that the shot is non-plated and you still want to argue !?!?!?!
IT IS NOT PLATED !!!!!!!
Maybe snake oil but again IT IS NOT PLATED !!!!!!
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Then by all means, you should buy it and shoot it.
Guess you didn't read post #23.
Please report back with your thoughts on the product after using it.
MG
Another shotgun shell we cannot buy.
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Mark, my comments are not about the shells or if I plan to use them its about the fact that you are too hard headed to understand at the time of post #10 (your post) it was clearly stated that the shot won't be plated.
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I saw some of these. $13 a box.
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That box in above says not copper coated and ATA legal. This must be a new SKU. Now will shooters use these over AAs..
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He's in S. America for the next 2 years.
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All is lost. At least our tester man will ride out the civil war and he can go back to testing 7.5s or 8s.
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Markk - The advertising sheet posted by blackandgold specifically states "ATA legal (non-plated)".
I believe the original Diamond Grade shells were plated, but obviously these are not, unless Winchester has started to falsify their advertising.
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