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I have looked online, in old reloading (1978) books to no avail so I turn to the smartest group on the earth for help.

I found a shotshell box of wads at a yard sale with the following information.

12ga
light blue
four petal
Alcan unisleve on the bottom of the shotcup
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1 7/16" OAL
1" deep shotcup
 

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Here is some information I found:

I'm going to guess and say you have the type A Uni-Sleeve wads which were shorter. Remember those were made for Alcans high paper basewad hulls so there's your fit issues. Thinking they are similar to the WAA12R wads in height. Closest hulls your going to get today are the Federal paper base wad hulls, your either going to have to go with a bulkier powder or Nitro card/Gas Seal as you stated. You could use top filler to make things simpler on yourself it shouldn't hurt your patterns, try the Federal Paper base hulls if you have any you may get a better fit.
 

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I have looked online, in old reloading (1978) books to no avail so I turn to the smartest group on the earth for help.

I found a shotshell box of wads at a yard sale with the following information.

12ga
light blue
four petal
Alcan unisleve on the bottom of the shotcup
View attachment 1693483 View attachment 1693483
1 7/16" OAL
1" deep shotcup
Looks like a Pacific Tool Verelite as shown in a 1976 Lymans #2
Or an Alcan Unisleeve as shown in Lymans #1 Circa 1969
No dimensions given for either.
 

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Most of the loads for these wads are in long obsolete hulls, with equally obsolete powders and primers.
Shotcup should have A or B marking.
Interesting bit of history.
 

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Tall basewads are long gone. I sold my last AA Red short wads to a guy in Louisiana, they used them for muzzle loading shotguns.

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Forgot to add, it does have an "A" on the bottom

Could it be used in a straight wall case?

Payload? Looks like 1¼ at least.
 

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Those wads were made for 1 1/8 oz. target loads in a straight-walled hull that had a high paper basewad, hence the short crush section. They are virtually useless unless you can find some hulls with a high basewad. I think there were some Rem (All American?) and some federal hulls had the high basewad as well.
 

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Wads are cheap components.
Obsolete wads are interesting history, but not worth a lot of effort.
Most of the listed loads call for unavailable hulls and/or primers, or powders.
Lyman handbook #1 and #2 list some of these hard to obtain components.
 
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