Don, you always say on here that people should do something or they are the problem, yet we never hear about you doing anything but bitching about what people say. It is a fact that the numbers for the team shoots have gone down considerably. That parking lot and campground used to be full, and if shooters got there at 7 in the morning there was already a long line to get classified, and the team event wouldn't be done until 4 pm. now the shoot is done around 1 pm and they are calling for handicap. Several years ago they tried having shooters pay a lesser fee, and asked them to help with scoring and houses either before or after they shot. My father and I did this and we were in the minority, since the rest of the shooters couldn't be bothered to help out, but they didn't ask to pay full price either. My home club is also the home club for Dave Price, and Dick Magnus. We have done more to help trapshooting than you would dream of doing. So until you come up with something more constructive that "your the problem not the solution" you are the problem.