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Masks for Schools in IL

Discussion in 'Off Topic Threads' started by thisjed, Jun 29, 2020.

  1. thisjed

    thisjed Well-Known Member

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    As an Illinois resident and father with a child still in school, you could have saved some time and responded with a F*** you. I’m sorry, but those idiots have ruined our schools enough already.


    Of course I realize you can’t speak freely like I suggested.
     
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  3. Bruce Specht

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    I's all to line Madigan's pockets, I've been reitred for 5 years from teaching in Illinois Thank the good Lord.
     
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    "Health authorities cannot promulgate and enforce rules which merely have a tendency to prevent the spread of contagious and infectious diseases." See Barmore v. Robertson, 134 N.E. 815, 819 (Ill. 1922).

    Now, who would have thought there was already settled case law precedent?

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  5. Harv Shell

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    Here's another great idea turned into law-
    Illinois Governor J.B. Pritzker has signed a bill into law that will require all public schools in the state to teach history that includes the contributions of lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender people by the 8th grade. The Inclusive Curriculum Law will go into affect for the 2020-2021 school year.

    Why can't we just teach the important contributions by all people, regardless of ethnicity-gender-religion-etc?
     
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  6. Bruce Specht

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    If you look close the next time JB has TV time you will notice Mike M has his hand up JBs butt and his making his lips move
     
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    There's obviously plenty of room, even with Madigan's big melon.
     
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    I beleive this will cause more trouble. I mean bad boy little johnny is for sure gonna pull some masks and let them fly back In ones face. JB doesn't give a rats ass about illinois. If he isn't going to prison after this is over he will be mighty cozy in his Florida or Wisconsin home!
     
  10. tomk2

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    JK80: That seemed pretty specific to refusing a mandatory vaccination, and one that was ordered by the legislature. Governor decrees? it seems that the lack of legislature action is the week point of Governor decrees. Furthermore, why would Illinois case law from 1922 not have been subject to the 1905 Supreme Court ruling in a Massachusetts case? Probably because it did not apply? Note that the article I took the quote from was an Illinois private school notifying the Illinois Governor that the 1922 case precedent from Illinois meant they had no obligation to submit to the Governers decrees (or the school board decrees) about the return to school this year. While the sentiment that Governor decrees that merely have some tendencies to effect communicable disease are illegal is a topic I have much interest, it would seem that this matter applies only to Illinois.

    edit: and if because of this, Illinois became the only state that could not mandate masks, I still would not move back there! But my education is not legal in nature, so I must yield to anyone who does have knowledge and training in law. But I reserve the right to inexpertly comment!
     
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  11. jk80

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    I'm no lawyer or constitutional student by any means, but the 10th amendment seems to give discretion in rulings for the public good to the states. It seems if the case in Massachusetts was upheld over the vaccine issue how big a stretch would it be to use it for reference in a legal opinion over a states other wants "for the publics good". I'm sure there will be lawsuits over these issues and will take longer than how long this pandemic will last. Just a thought though, if they could force a vaccine then and the ruling was upheld what happens when they get one for the covid . I'm not anti Vax, I'm old enough to know people that had polio, but there's a lot that don't want to participate in any vaccination program. The 10th seems to cover this. As I said I'm not saying I'm agreeing with it, just the ammendment is there and worth a look. Also worth noting is your case you brought up is a private school, not a public one. I live near a religious university and they have had dust ups through the years with measles and mumps outbreaks. If memory serves correct they elected to mandate their own quarantine until the problem subsided. The state did nothing. Not sure but could that possibly be because of not being publicly funded?
     
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    I am not anti vaccine either. However, I have been forced to get the flu vaccine the last 7 or 8 years by institutions, and it was voluntary or ineffectively tracked before that. I noticed no difference from my unvaccinated years. My reason for skipping it was getting quite ill from flu vaccines decades ago, and I was pleased to find that the recent ones did not cause illness. As for COVID, I have no doubt it would be forced upon myself where I work. However, prior to COVID, vaccines could be refused if you agreed to be punished by wearing a mask at work 10 months out of the year. That mandate got all the holdouts to comply, no one wanted to wear a mask all day and night when on the property. Now that mask decrees have forced everyone to wear a mask, I expect quite a few will just say no thank you to the COVID vaccine, and just wear a mask. At least for a few years to see how it works out. I wonder what new coercion the pencil pushers will dream up.
     
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  14. thisjed

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    The state has placed schools in a no win situation. What are they going to do when students show up without face coverings? Send them home? They still need to provide an education for them by law, talk about complicated. You're going to zoom in the non mask wearing students everyday???

    Hopefully our actions embolden more actions and words like must turn into recommend regarding the mandate to be masked. Enough is enough and these decisions belong in the hands of local communities and school leaders, the ones who actually know their day to day realities for classrooms and facilities.
     
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    Ah, yes. The very same persons who have shown how ill informed and absurd measures can be imposed without regard to established fact, science, or reason. Just the folks I'd want to be deciding the fate of my children.
     
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    In this case, absolutely. We have 120 students across 45,000 sq ft. I prefer us making decisions over people sitting 172 miles away who know little of our day to day realities.

    I totally understand though, not everyone has common sense school boards...
     
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    That’s just it. You are educated adults. I don’t think you need your hand held by some rich idiot having a power trip. I am sure you have the safety of your students and staff in mind.
     
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