Subject: Lock time of popular trap guns From: Dennis DeVault Email: Date: 06-Apr-09
Yes I have checked the lock time of a Remington 3200 and it checked at 2 milliseconds. The 3200 was the fastest production arc hammer gun that was ever made. The only way we have acheived faster lock times is with the in-line plunger that is foumd on the Infinity, MachOne, Seitz, and Bowen. I have not checked the Browning Cynergy. My machine is down at the factory being updated so that I can now use windows and we will be able to check set weight and release pressure with the new software. This machine that we have measures different areas of a trigger, lock time, the travel distance until the sears let go, pounds of pull required to start the trigger moving, peak pull poundage, and overtravel. It has helped me in gun design and to learn the dynamics of a shotgun, but I will say again the most important factor for all this is consistancy from shot to shot. I have shot with Drew Waller for several years and he is by far the most critical person that I have met when it comes to triggers. If the trigger he is shooting starts to change in his Perazzi on the next trap it is out of the gun the next rebuilt trigger is in the gun for the next field. The better shooters that I have had dealings with with know when their trigger goes bad and do not hesitate to make a change. Thank you,
<blockquote><I>"...The better shooters that I have had dealings with with know when their trigger goes bad and do not hesitate to make a change."</I></blockquote>Now that's a new one on me! I can tell when a trigger group get filled with mud or sand but I can't image either of these things happening to a coddled trap gun.
Does anyone really know what this man is referring to by "goes bad"?
MK- Top shooters can tell when a trigger changes, even a little bit. If they have been shooting a pull trigger with a 3.75 pound pull and it changes to a 4 pound pull or it develops a little extra travel distance, they can feel the change. I like my release trigger to set at 80 oz and release at 32 oz. If it changes, and it has, to an 80 oz set and a 40 oz release, I can quickly tell the difference. But, since I am not a top shooter that can immediately feel the difference, I always carry a trigger scale with me.
If anyone wants to check their trigger, my next multi day shoot will be the Dixie Grand. I am always pleased to share my trigger scale and I am not too difficult to find at the larger shoots. I hang around the classification table.
I have always felt that shooters concern themselves way to much about lock time. In my opinion, from the Remington 870 to the most expensive gun made, your body and mind will automatically adjust to any one gun's lock time. Is there any validity to what I am saying?
Ahab.... Daro Handy is one of those top shooters that can immediately notice any deviation in trigger performance. I have seen him carry as many as 5 complete trigger groups for his 1100 and watched him change out 3 triggers in one 100 target event. He is, in my mind, the most sensitive shooter I have ever seen when it comes to noticing a change in triggers. He is anal about his triggers, and won't shoot unless his triggers are perfect. I shot with him recently and on Saturday he went through the 3 trigger groups he brought to the shoot. On Sunday, he pulled out of the shoot and just hung around to watch. I asked him why he wasn't shooting and he told me that he didn't have a trigger with him that was acceptable, and rather than put up a bad score due to a "bad" trigger, he decided not to shoot at all... Dan Thome (Trap2)
I am sure someone will tell me I am wrong but it sure feels that way when you get used to a release. It just seems to go off without your having to think about it so maybe it just seems quicker, but I do believe that it is faster when you get to the target. Can't prove it and maybe I am not being clear but I don't see as many people dropping the muzzle or jerking it when they get to the target as I seem to see with pull triggers.
Shooting an 870,1100, etc has nothing to do with the ability of lock times and noticing a change thereof unless it pertains to that specific trigger group. For all those that don't think lock times matter, take an 870 or 1100 shooter and put a Bowen, Seitz etc in their hands and see where they miss the target.