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Does anybody know where I can find a source for load data for tungsten shot in a 28ga load? I have searched and have come up empty. I hesitate to buy one of the subgauge load manuals just for this, as using tungsten shot seems to be fairly new and these manuals are not updated and published yearly that I've seen.
 

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Contact hawglips at the "tungsten super shot forum". He sells 18g/cc TSS shot and will give you 28 ga data if you buy your TSS shot from him.
Check out the above link.

hawglips is great to do business with.
 

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Contact hawglips at the "tungsten super shot forum". He sells 18g/cc TSS shot and will give you 28 ga data if you buy your TSS shot from him.
Check out the above link.

hawglips is great to do business with.
Nice, this seems like a solid option.
 

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Why Tungsten ? shooting waterfowl ? What about Bismuth shot ?
He may want much better performance than what Bismuth shot can produce. Bismuth shot out performs steel shot.

12g/cc Tungsten shot out performs lead shot. 15g/cc and 18g/cc TSS shot are in a different league than lead shot.

From KPY Shotshell Ballistics
1500 fps Steel #6 shot gets 1.50" of gel penetration at 18.1 yards and has about 235 pellets in 3/4 oz.
1350 fps Bismuth #6 shot gets 1.50" of gel penetration at 32.2 yards and has about 191 pellets in 3/4 oz.
1300 fps lead #6 shot gets 1.50" of gel penetration at 44.5 yards and has about 168 pellets in 3/4 oz.
1300 fps Tungsten 12g/cc #6 shot gets 1.50" of gel penetration at 55.6 yards and has about 154 pellets in 3/4 oz.
1300 fps Tungsten 15g/cc #7 shot gets 1.50" of gel penetration at 75.1 yards and has about 164 pellets in 3/4 oz.
1300 fps Tungsten 18g/cc TSS #8 shot gets 1.50" of gel penetration at 88.8 yards and has about 188 pellets in 3/4 oz.

28 ga 15g/cc and 18g/cc 3/4 oz Tungsten loads out perform 12 ga 3-1/2" steel shot loads.
 

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He may want much better performance than what Bismuth shot can produce. Bismuth shot out performs steel shot.

12g/cc Tungsten shot out performs lead shot. 15g/cc and 18g/cc TSS shot are in a different league than lead shot.

From KPY Shotshell Ballistics
1500 fps Steel #6 shot gets 1.50" of gel penetration at 18.1 yards and has about 235 pellets in 3/4 oz.
1350 fps Bismuth #6 shot gets 1.50" of gel penetration at 32.2 yards and has about 191 pellets in 3/4 oz.
1300 fps lead #6 shot gets 1.50" of gel penetration at 44.5 yards and has about 168 pellets in 3/4 oz.
1300 fps Tungsten 12g/cc #6 shot gets 1.50" of gel penetration at 55.6 yards and has about 154 pellets in 3/4 oz.
1300 fps Tungsten 15g/cc #7 shot gets 1.50" of gel penetration at 75.1 yards and has about 164 pellets in 3/4 oz.
1300 fps Tungsten 18g/cc TSS #8 shot gets 1.50" of gel penetration at 88.8 yards and has about 188 pellets in 3/4 oz.

28 ga 15g/cc and 18g/cc 3/4 oz Tungsten loads out perform 12 ga 3-1/2" steel shot loads.
Why Tungsten ? shooting waterfowl ? What about Bismuth shot ?
Bob’s got it right. It’s because I like the way #8’s pattern in my 3/4oz 28ga reloads, and because I enjoy taking some longer shots. With only 3/4oz of shot at 40/50 yards or so, I want to make each pellet count, and I want a lot of them.
 

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He may want much better performance than what Bismuth shot can produce. Bismuth shot out performs steel shot.

12g/cc Tungsten shot out performs lead shot. 15g/cc and 18g/cc TSS shot are in a different league than lead shot.

From KPY Shotshell Ballistics
1500 fps Steel #6 shot gets 1.50" of gel penetration at 18.1 yards and has about 235 pellets in 3/4 oz.
1350 fps Bismuth #6 shot gets 1.50" of gel penetration at 32.2 yards and has about 191 pellets in 3/4 oz.
1300 fps lead #6 shot gets 1.50" of gel penetration at 44.5 yards and has about 168 pellets in 3/4 oz.
1300 fps Tungsten 12g/cc #6 shot gets 1.50" of gel penetration at 55.6 yards and has about 154 pellets in 3/4 oz.
1300 fps Tungsten 15g/cc #7 shot gets 1.50" of gel penetration at 75.1 yards and has about 164 pellets in 3/4 oz.
1300 fps Tungsten 18g/cc TSS #8 shot gets 1.50" of gel penetration at 88.8 yards and has about 188 pellets in 3/4 oz.

28 ga 15g/cc and 18g/cc 3/4 oz Tungsten loads out perform 12 ga 3-1/2" steel shot loads.
Good data above. I've got some #4 and #6 bulk Tungsten Polymer (don't know of manufacturer but possibly Kent?) that I've compared pellet size to that of lead and also did a volumetric comparison vs weight to that of lead. Appears that THIS shot was formulated to be very very similar in density and pellet size to that of lead shot and I handload it for hunting as such in 20 ga. field loads. Way better than Bismuth. Note that I did previously use Bismuth shot but came across with this tungsten shot when bulk Bismuth was not available on the market for a period.
 

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Talk about putting the smack down on ducks!!!!!!! If puddle ducks were my primary goal I would probably go with 9s
The Very Best 28ga TSS Load I've Seen To Date.

Federal 28ga - Hull
Win.209 - Primer
29.0 gr Lil Gun - Powder
7/8 oz. # 7 1/2 18g TSS - Shot
TPS 28 w/1/2" cork .410 Spacer in the bottom - Wad
9,500 PSI - 1,420 FPS

Foot Note: Do not over choke! Pattern in your gun to acquire best results.
 

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The Very Best 28ga TSS Load I've Seen To Date.

Federal 28ga - Hull
Win.209 - Primer
29.0 gr Lil Gun - Powder
7/8 oz. # 7 1/2 18g TSS - Shot
TPS 28 w/1/2" cork .410 Spacer in the bottom - Wad
9,500 PSI - 1,420 FPS

Foot Note: Do not over choke! Pattern in your gun to acquire best results.
Thanks for this. Any idea what Lil Gun Powder is similar to? I have 700x, 20/28 and promo.
 

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The Very Best 28ga TSS Load I've Seen To Date.

Federal 28ga - Hull
Win.209 - Primer
29.0 gr Lil Gun - Powder
7/8 oz. # 7 1/2 18g TSS - Shot
TPS 28 w/1/2" cork .410 Spacer in the bottom - Wad
9,500 PSI - 1,420 FPS

Foot Note: Do not over choke! Pattern in your gun to acquire best results.
Will this fit without trimming the wad and is this a fold crimp or a roll crimp?
 

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Talk about putting the smack down on ducks!!!!!!! If puddle ducks were my primary goal I would probably go with 9s
Pheasants too.
Turns those long range birds inside out, well past 50 yards. One of the really nice things about Tungsten TSS, is that the pellets rarely remain in the bird. Most of the time, they pass clean thru.
Also remember, 7/8th oz of #7 1/2 shot contains approximately 300 pellets, this is MORE than the standard 12 gauge 1 1/4oz load of # 5 shot, which would contain roughly 275 pellets.
Essentially, you have MORE fire power with your 28 gauge with this ammunition, than you would have using standard 12 gauge, 1 1/4 oz, #5's!
The downfall of TSS of course, is the COST and it is HIGH!
 

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Check out the above video on duplexing steel shot with TSS shot. There are quite a few guys that reload duplexing the two shot types. They are basically using the steel shot for filler and to keep the price of each shell lower.

Finding a load like the guy in the video, where you don't have to use filler wads, makes it easier and cheaper to load.
 

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Mixing Steel Shot x Tungsten turns a fantastic load into garbage.
While it certainly lowers the cost per round, it severely dilutes the load all together. If your happy with steel shot, load it, but if your looking for the best loads possible, I definitely wouldn't waste my time nor energy using steel shot in any load. To me, it's like mixing Soda into a fine glass of Bourbon!
 

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The federal hull looks like a very good option for a goose load with 7tss. Would like to see the pressure about 2000 to 2500 higher for more cold weather stability. As far as mixing steel with tss it's needed to get the pressure up and get the tss pattern opened up with the lighter loads of tss. The 410 is actually a better platform for duck loads with tss.3/8 oz of that stuff would be plenty for most situations. I have friend using 1/4 oz tss with steel in 28ga and that's killing ducks at 50 yards with cylinder choke with 9. Could this load be used with fed209a primers instead of the win?
 

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The Very Best 28ga TSS Load I've Seen To Date.

Federal 28ga - Hull
Win.209 - Primer
29.0 gr Lil Gun - Powder
7/8 oz. # 7 1/2 18g TSS - Shot
TPS 28 w/1/2" cork .410 Spacer in the bottom - Wad
9,500 PSI - 1,420 FPS

Foot Note: Do not over choke! Pattern in your gun to acquire best results.
Thank you for sharing! What gun do you shooting this with? Do you have any patterns? I took the jump to finally loading more tss after loading, testing, and hunting Steel, ITX10, bismuth, HW13/15.
 
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