I see this is older thread, but I just going over them. Question- never shot an older Ithica like a 4E, see they were shot by a lot in 60's and 70's . Are the ones made after 63-64 better than ones built in 70's. Would they still be good shooters today. Why I ask-myy mentor shot a 4E with no front bead. He joked one looks at bird not front bead. Shot it well, Always liked the looks of them . I have a CG combo now, just love it. Thanks ahead for commentsHard shot didn't come into the mainstream until about 1980. I don't remember Winchester, Remington, or Federal saying that they offers hard shot. I didn't have access to hard shot till then. I started shooting about 1967. Everyone shot a Model 12 except some guys with a lot of money. They shot Ithaca single barrels and belguim Brownings. It was that way until Ljutic and Perazzi's started showing up. When Browning in 1969 came out with the BT-99 to compete in looks with the Ithaca SB. febleww were sold. Perazzi became popular quickly around here. Kreghoff wasn't popular here in Northern Ohio. There were only 2 here at the time. My Dad had a San Remo that he didn't shoot, and another guy had a Super crown that blew up. That kinda put a damper on Kreghoffs back then. There were a number of Remington model 32's. I dunno if that helps.