Trapshooters Forum banner
Status
Not open for further replies.

Limit IDs on TS.com

5K views 87 replies 34 participants last post by  Hipshot 3 
#1 ·
David & Fellow TS.com Posters,

This is getting to be a very serious problem-puts all of our credibility on the line. This needs this seprate thread on TS.com-so I'm starting this new thread

should this site require only registered people with only one personnel ID and one business ID to post messages on this site?

although we have 1st amendment rights that are protected by the second amendment, we have to reduce some freedoms so that this democracy doesnt slander posters or make them looks like fools

thats my solution

What sayest you?

Regards from Iowa.

Gene
 
#2 ·
The guy that started this thread has 20-30IDs and is "playing you all"

My solution? get a job esterhaus

Dont buy into this

The guy that started the thread is pulling your leg-- he chats from a library and is unemployed but gets a goverment check---

The guy that started the thread--will pull his initial post probably

He is looking and fishing for suckers to comment

regards from Iowa

Gene
 
#4 ·
See what I wrote-its coming true whith people posting as me

Estie is at it again and imitating me OR else its a troll or somebody else imitating me and other posters-ask gargoyle, who was The Gargoyle for a few messages

limit IDs on TS.com to prevent expansion of the bandwith and to save the server-it serves us to save the server and prevent the severe problems us posters face on this site.

Regards from Iowa.

Gene
 
#5 ·
Gene,

I agree that something needs to be done.

The hide-behind names are a crutch for those not willing to link an opinion with their name. I don't ever expect to agree with everything other people say - but it has a lot more validity and earns a greater degree of consideration when it's not muttered from behind a curtain.

I have always signed my name to these posts, and when the topic has been personal (rather than club related) included an e-mail address if someone wants to go off of the forum. Agree with me or not - at very least you know who I am and what I stand for... that way when we meet at a shoot you'll be willing to shake my hand a share a squad with me.

Would I support the "real names only policy?" You bet.

David Foky
Rivanna Trapshooters
Charlottesville VA
 
#6 ·
I've long since thought real names should be used or be easily accessible. But what's to stop someone from using a phony name or number? I can say that I am ATA #44-09158, but how does anyone know that's legit? For that matter, what keeps a person from using another's number? We already have numerous "Genes".

Ed
 
#8 ·
I use my real name. I am not ashamed of any comments or opinions I offer.

I have met a couple of the guys here face to face. They are good people who I would be honored to shoot with and they don't need to hide behind "handles".

Yes, one of them loves to stir up crap but that is his way of yanking your chain.

I have never understood why anyone would be ashamed of themselves; but in reading some of the posts it has become obvious. A lot of people seem to need/desire anonymity.

Don Verna
 
#10 ·
I am not pushing for FOID cards like they have in Illinois

David needs to do something to limit more than 2 IDs (a personal and a business ID)

Ed, he could check ATA or Pita or natianal skeet or national sporting clays numbers or FOID numbers-just for Illinois shooters-for shooters (at least those registered shooters); but what can he do for those non-registered shooters-you now, the casual shooters-and what can he do about those people that found TS.com and want to learn more about trapshooting or what about youths that want to be us in the future?

Then would we want to have him have a record of this important info that could be seized by the ATA or gotten by shumer, finestein, hillary, kennedy, duck hunter Kerry, or another Clinton stooge?

Should this be a pay as you go site-$5 upfront to register-that will stop new posters

ed-your right about those other phoney Genes

We need INPUT from the computer genius on this site-but not the feds or antigunnners

Regards from Iowa.

Gene
 
#11 ·
Well, it seems like if NO ONE used their real name then it would be a lot harder to slander one another wouldn't it? I mean, is it really going to ruin anyone's reputation if this makes it into the newspaper: "Arf327 called slack-jawed hillbilly on trapshooters.com!"

I can just see folks sitting around the watercooler at a swank New York City office saying "gee, I was ready to have Arf327 be the contractor for my new house in the Hamptons, but not since I've learned he's a slack-jawed hillbilly."

So Gene, do us all a favour and start a campaign to force folks here to use anonymous names only.

Furthermore, wasn't there a long and contentious thread here recently where it turns out the people using their real names kept telling lies and slandering others, while the people using phoney names were telling the truth?

So your "solution" would guarantee we have more trapshooters identifying to the world not only that they lie and slander but their real names? I don't think that accomplishes anything. If you never realized posters here say plenty of stupid and untrue things even when using their real name you haven't been paying attention and may not be a good candidate to head this crusade.

Finally, most major employers do an internet search on prospective employees these days. Maybe not everyone is willing to jeopardize their families livelihood by telling a prospective employeer their political beliefs and that they love to play with guns. It seems to me that choice should be left to the individual.

Try judging a post on its merits. If a post you don't like is written by someone named "luckyshot" or "southpark", it should be easy to laugh it off -- who are these jokers after all. If, on the other hand, some guy named "Jacob R. Smith, Providence R.I., ATA No. 123456, says something people don't like you've now created a situation that could lead to violence or asinine complaints to the ATA.

I think that has been done before. A rash of complaints like is something that could really turn into lawsuits over reputations being slandard or libled. I wonder how long David is going to want to keep this site going when that happens.

Gene, take a lesson I learned years ago from Uncle Remus and learn to ignore troll posts by anonymous posters and restrain yourself from hitting the ********.
 
#12 ·
lcc and switchblade,

both you guys raise some mighty good points-its good to be anon cuz there are lots of identity thievers around

and, this cite has gone down hill-we still need and can get construction advice to helps each other out and also to help those mindsets that want to know more about trapshooting

we got to git rid of the trolls, backbiting posters, phonies, antis, whiners, fightin amoung trapshooters and skeeters and SC shooters. Of course, we have to allow diffreneces of opinions like grammie, WPT, BigDon and some of the udders that have good points even though they may not be as sharp as a tack

as we said in the 1960s-let's make peace not war and cant we all love one another

Let's put on our thinking caps, Froggie!

Regards from Iowa.

Gene
 
#14 ·
SouthPark-if your in construction, you would be hired to build my dreamhouse

I dont want to perpetualize this post forever or a long time but Southpark raises some very valid good and constructive points-i know that he is kidding about requiring all phony names; but, he's spot on with the idea that all posts gots to be looked at on an individule basis and not just by the writers names

no racist slur is inteneded-Uncle Remus, Brer Rabbit, and the ******** have a good parabole--the proof is really in the pudding

So, whose gonna devise the BS Meter that we can use on this website?

Regards from Iowa.

Gene
 
#15 ·
David and I have discussed some of this. Such as requiring a valid email address for registration, as many. many sites on the Internet require. The password is then mailed to that address so someone is not trying to hide.

I would like to see a side bar for O/T and For Sale threads.

I think someone should only have ONE valid user ID, also.

Just my thoughts.

Whiz
 
#19 ·
Whiz, I belong to numerous Internet organizations pertaining to handloading, rifle shooting, motorcycles, sprint car racing and so on. EVERY one of them (except this one) requires a valid email address to which the user name and temporary password are sent. Then, in the case of some of them, the probationary member must post something, preferably of an introductory nature, in the "new members" folder within 10 days or the user name is deleted. The thinking is that if you aren't going to at least contribute an intro to the site, they don't want you.

Also, ANY bad-mouthing or slandering of another member will get you barred from the site for 30 days; if there is a second occurrence, you're gone for good. Constructive heated discussions and differences of opinion are fine but some of the stuff on here would not fly.

If you'd like the email addresses of any of those site administrators, let me know (drop the "x" from the address above).

Ed
 
#20 ·
Man you guys think you get beat up here, go on over to the Sporting Clays site and tell them you just bought a Stoeger Competition O/U and it's every bit as good as those P and K guns. It's like an atom bomb went off. I watched that thread long ago over there and I think it made it to 200 post. Talk about flaming. This site is tame compared to others, as for the multiple sign-on names as long as you have disposable email sites IE Yahoo, Gmail, MSN, Excite ect... there will always be someone that will long on with multiple names.

Look at "Hank The Duece" I found out it was "Pied Piper" only after HE told me and most everyone here emailed me after I found out that they knew. You can have fun but don't let it go too far.





Jerbear
 
#22 ·
Switchblade, What happens when all you have is Juno? I have clients that refuse to go to or pay broadband prices. If he was to sign up here and post, all he would have is a Juno address. It seems to me that only a handful out of the entire TS.Com family is complaining. I don't know David but I'm sure as he did with Piper that he can go through the sign-on names and delete all but one and call it a day.



Jerbear
 
#25 ·
Gene, I'm putting you down as one of the first to actually appreciate my wit. Thank you. It pleases me more than I can express.

In the continued spirit of being constructive, here's a few things to try. Please note that whining to a moderator or David is really never necessary. If we play with guns, we should be able to be grown ups here.

1. Post a message at the top of the board to not respond to inflamitory troll posts as the only reason they are made is certain people get off on it because it makes them feel like they have an impact on people and the world. Ignoring them takes the wind out of their sails and removes their motivation to post. Responding just encourages them and when we respond, even to tell them to shut up, we perpetuate it and have no one but our selves to blame.

2. If someone you know violates rule one above, email them privately and tell them to stop feeding the trolls. Arguing with them is hitting the ******** (right Gene, nothing racist at all, just a message about fights you can't win and the harder you struggle the worse it gets). Yelling at your friends in the troll post to stop feeding the trolls just, guess what, feeds the troll.

3. If someone says something that isn't true or defames anyone, immediately post how you don't think that sort of thing is the behaviour of a gentleman or lady and it has no place here. If the person keeps behaving badly, follow rule one. Don't get in a fight with someone who should be ignored.

4. If a regular forum member (not a troll) says "that southpark is a jerk", try just posting something like "Hey, I know southpark, and he's not a jerk at all. Would you be able to back that up if you were to say that to his face? What happened to make you think that?" Often people just hear things from other folks who are disgruntled and keep going on and on perpetuating the insults. If this doesn't work, follow rule one and just ignore them.

5. If someone like Grammie, for example, starts getting slammed by everyone, like he always does, take a moment to read what he has to say. If you think people are saying things like "that southpark is a jerk, his points should be ignored", consider taking a moment to say "well, that may be true, but I think his point makes sense this time." It sets a good example for people to judge things by the merits here. The name attached to a post, or abscence of a name, really doesn't have a bearing on the merit of the individual post. Even chronic liars tell the truth once in a while. Folks do okay here building or destroying their own reputations and probably don't need much help from the rest of us.

6. Some folks have legitimate reasons to hide their identity. Plus, email like yahoo allows fake names at that end anyway. Requiring non-anonymous emails only like your job may provide isn't really fair to our retired shooters and others for whom a free account is their only option. Also, posting email addresses only guarantees a data mining spider is going to nick your email addy and start spamming your email account.

However, requiring email confirmation, even to a fake name account you set up on hotmail, is a pain in the rear and may go a long way to curb some of the casual jerks. I support this requirement. Plus, if they get out of hand they can be banned and forced to go through the process of setting up another fake email account before they can post again here (and set up another fake account here). This pain in the backside, coupled with rule one above, is going to make it much too much trouble for zero fame and attention for them to bother. If they keep getting attention, public reprimands, etc., I'm sure they are not going to stop because they love the attention.

Finally, please don't go crying to David or a moderator to stop certain opinions you don't like. I freak out and am extremely offended when people say something stupid or that is factually incorrect. Do I have the right to insist all stupid posts be deleted because I'm offended? I'm being serious. I'm an extremely intelligent over-educated guy. You may have no idea how offensive some of the drivel I read can be to a person like me. That doesn't mean I have the right to get insipid, foolish, or downright stupid posts or posters removed.

Similarly, don't assume you are the final arbiter of what is offensive. Other people may not be bothered at all and may be equally offended that you are such a thin-skinned crybaby and sissy that they want your post deleted. Is that fair? Who makes those calls? Is that really how the site should be run? Really, the easiest answer is to simply stop reading the threads and or posts that may bother you and ignore them.

Get some self control. When I hear people freaking out over a television show I'm greatly disturbed they put so much energy into a campaign to get the show off the air but are too lazy to change the channel. Sometimes we really only have our selves to blame.
 
#26 ·
In response to LCC above, you make some compelling points. Still, consider this: You can't have your kids shoot trap or use the bathroom without using the clubhouse. It is public.

This site however, is not public. The fact that it is a privately owned site is why, as you point out, David is able to delete any thread or picture he wants.

Moreover, a computer and web connection are required to come here. If your kid can get here, he or she can get to dirtynakedanalpornsluts.com just as easily. If you (I mean parents in general, not you personally) are letting your kid have free access to the internet maybe you're not doing so hot of a job parenting.

On the other hand, maybe you figure your kid is adult enough to handle a loaded twelve gauge shotgun so must be old enough to use the internet unsupervised. You may be right, but that means they are old and responsible enough to ignore threads and posts that don't comport with your instructions on what is or is not appropriate.

Maybe I need to add this to my list above:

7. If you are going to post something not strictly trap related identify it in the topic line and include "OT" for off topic.

8. If you are the sensitive type, or have kids using this site, DON'T EVER OPEN OFF TOPIC POSTS.

Frankly, I'm not sure what any parent would think is kid oriented about any of the threads here.

Regardless, LLC, if you stumble upon a post you don't like I'm sure it readily becomes clear to you. Here's my plan for you in that situation: STOP READING AND CLOSE THE THREAD!

You must be like those people who slow down on the freeway when they drive by an accident hoping they'll see a dead body. What is wrong with you?

I find it very hard to believe an offensive post ever ambushed you here. What, you thought when you opened the thread labled "Funny Pic" you thought you were going to see a scematic of a K-80? Poppycock! Or a post started out with "a Catholic priest, a rabbi, and a Lutheran minister, were fishing one day..." and you were shocked when you got to the punch line? W*** the F*** were you thinking? Stop reading. Any second grader would know something potentially offensive was coming.

Again, LCC, you are making your lack of sense and self control everyone else's problem.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
You have insufficient privileges to reply here.
Top