What's your name, Shannon? Nobody said anything that Kay doesn't already know and has heard countless times. You whiners should put your big-boy pants on and quit being so sensitive. Kay can take the heat, why not you?
I have taken Kay Ohye clinics over the last 5 years and will take another clinic on May 8 & 9th in Wisconsin. I have also been fortunate enough in taking clinics from two other All Americans who were excellent but my preference is to go back to Kay.
Not everyone is going to agree with Kay's style or his teaching methods and Kay will tell you that in his opening statement. He will also tell you its a style that works for him, Debbie, Nora and countless other All Americans. If you got thin skin or not really interested in taking your shooting to the next level then Kay may not be for you! He is not going to work around your bad fundamentals so you feel better! He is going to change them...period! He is going to push you and push you hard! Your going to shoot more drills and more rounds than any other instructor out their.
All of the instructors/teachers out there have a lot of knowledge and experience to share with the average competitive shooter. You need to find out what works for you but to simply take pot shots at Kays style, shooting or his personality is bull! Kay has always treated me with respect but has always been tough on me while I was in his class. His expectations of me as a shooter are much bigger than mine. I appreciate the personal instruction he has given me.
I have had the opportunity to socialize with Kay away from shooting. I have found Kay extremely interesting and very funny. Any one who knows Kay Ohye very well will tell you there is two different Kay Ohye. One is the ultimate professional at his craft and the other is a funny guy who's hero was Vince Lombardi and the Green Bay Packers.
As far as helping me be a better shooter his instruction has been first class. I have won local, state and national trophies. My only regret was I didn't meet him earlier in my life when my eyes & reflexes were better. My averages may never be to the All American level but it will never stop me from working hard and improving my style and execution.
P.S. Have you noticed the older Kay gets the more dominating he has become? It's all about style and execution and right now who is doing it better?
A friend of mine shot a 97 in handicap years ago in NJ and was not a winner he ran into Kay in the mens room and said what does a guy have to do to win around here? Kay turned around to him and said just breakem all and walked out. You got to love that mentality.
LOL...Booger its not Kay with the shooting problem its me. As a full-time businessman, family man and a part time shooter who lives in a cold weather climate the clinics help me improve. Unfortunately, I started late in the game so the instruction helps me. It may not be for you. You may already be a superstar...I am not! Thanks
My first Kay course took me from D to C, the next two first to B then to A.
He's great at demolishing cherished beliefs. How many times have I read here elaborate plans on just exactly how to shift the angle of your feet as you move from posts 1 to 5? Kay says "Watch the top-class shootoffs. No one does it there - why should you?" Or all the advice on just how high and where to hold. Kay has you point the gun way, way off the trap and shoot targets and you hit almost all. Then he asks "If you can do that, what is the likely effect of an inch or two?"
He's got no time for posts so common and beloved here. Shot size? Don't even consider it, shoot the target and all will be well. Almost all guns are fine - but you have to make the shot. Grind the wood until it fits. "What are you doing, shooting it for resale?"
And so on. It's not for everyone - just those who want to shoot better and are willing to expend the time and effort and $ to make it happen. And that's what really bugs people. Kay doesn't even pretend that there is a shortcut to success. "You have to work!" is his mantra.
And to those who grouse that the've shot quite a bit and still aren't scoring well - "Come back when you've shot a truckload of shells as the stars have. If you still aren't shooting well, then you have the right to complain."
You can see why some don't like his approach. But he's right.
Just completed a two day clinic with Kay Ohye up in Medford, Wisconsin. This clinic is held at the beautiful residence of Mr.& Mrs Dale Prochnow. Although, the weather was not as cooperative as we liked Kay had us shooting, shooting and shooting! We had great instruction, a lot of drills and a lot of personal coaching from Kay. Kay, made it "absolutely clear" that he was not there to change your style!! He discussed his style ( 5 principles) and that he believes those that buy into his style and truly work at it will become better shooters. You surely can't argue with his success?
We had some social time ( food & drink) with Kay afterwards which was nice because we got a chance to ask specific questions about shooting techniques, shooting clubs, specific shooting events, shootoffs etc. Kay was very cordial to the entire group ( eight)which five were previous students. I wouldn't be suprised to see them all back next year. We really had a great time.
This morning my shoulders and forearms are awfully tired. Now I know what Kay means when he says "any one can shoot a target but you have to work really hard to be a shot maker." I look forward in continuing to incorporate his style and to become a better shooter. Thanks
I have taken three classes with Kay over the last three years. He does like to tell stories, but if you think about it they tend to relate to how to shoot better. He stresses practice. I think Kay is very good. Would not spend the money and take the time off of work if I did not.
Ben Dover1 said it best: Great shooter, lousy instructor. I took a clinic from him in Medford Oregon. Camera analysis? No camera present. Individual instruction, for a class of 10? No way. He didn't like the way I wore my hat, said I couldn't see from under the brim. That was his sole "suggestion" of how I might improve my score. A complete waste of my time and money. One of his proteges, a junior shooter, was in the class and he got as much or more instruction as the rest of us, and you know Kay was coaching him on a weekly basis anyway! I left feeling screwed and unkissed.
Just got back from a day with Chuck Dryke in Sequim, WA. What a contrast! That man knows how to coach a shooter, plus he and Rosemary are VERY nice people. I'll make the trip to see Chuck again, but I wouldn't waste time on a Kay Ohye clinic if it was across the street and free.
Rico 46 made some good points...one of the biggest problems picking the right clinic is in picking someone who can teach the way you need to learn.
Kay's was the frist clinic I ever took. Kay teaches his style...they all do. It's the only style they know. You have to be able to shoot like Kay to learn from Kay. Kay is a trap reader like Harlan Campbell. They both teach the high hold because they have a pretty good idea where the next bird will come from. Don't ask me how. I can't shoot Kay's way so I found his class to be a huge disappointment...I came away more confused than ever and my scores went way down. It took another clinic from another shooter to show me that while there are a lot of wrong things that one can do while shooting, there is no single right way to do it.
my wife took a class may 4,5, and 6th of may in wisconsin. She has been shooting about 2 years started league last year. She really like the class and learned from it. He was nice and told her she was a good shooter. Her scores were inconsistant and all over the board. By taking the class she has become a better shooter but because of the skills that was taught in the class and then working on those every day. Today she shot her first 25 straight. Yes, she wants to go back next year for a refresh class. she is very happy with him.
I recently completed another Kay Ohye class in Medford, WI! I'll admit, Kay spent a fare amount of time coaching me in his class!! Not because I'm a great shooter..lol, in fact, I'm probably an embarassement to him. Kay spends the time with me because he knows I will listen to him and bust my ass practicing!
I got started late in the game ( chronologically) for the most part. All American status??..not likely! I have a job, family and grandkids to deal with. Will I shoot competitively? yes most of the time and some times..I get lucky and win a trophy or two. If I ever learn to stop thinking instead of just shooting, I am going to be dangerous!!
Do I think Kay Ohye is a great shooter and instructor..Absolutely! The facts are indisputable! The more you get to know him the more you get comfortable with him. His style and mannerisms are not for everyone. I've taken course from two others but I drift back to what is natural for me. Kay, if you read this thanks for everything and I'll see you in Michigan.