Thanks Dave, I firmly believe in 3 hole targets, thrown 50-52 yards, and shot at with the ORIGINAL 1200 fps shells of the 1970s,
The souped up shells along with soft 46-48 yd targets, 34 degree and less angles, just to get them scores of the REAL GOOD GUYS and a false average.
Neil is full of BS when he does not know the answer he throws out graphs anyone can draw.
I spent more time on the 27 yard line than Neil has been a member, along w/Flargato and Big Don. If they shot any 3 hole targets it was a very, very, few of them.
Me being 71+ years old pounded my grudge match person that is much younger than me in the ground on 30 Yard Targets, he says he beat me on the 25 yd targets, but mind you I used 1200fps shells and he admits he was using 1235 fps shells, I was asked by numerous people why I did not use the Winchester Super handicap shells? I told them to read the post in i-trapshooter we were supposed to use 1200 fps shells, He did not, and is trying to justify beating me on the 25 yard line, he could not shoot his way out of a paper bag.
Neil still challenges me on shell speed and dram equivalent,
3 dram is 1200 fps
3 1/4 dram is 1255 fps all of these are 1 1/8th oz loads
3 1/2 dram is 1290 fps
These are the shell mfgrs designation.
Neil cannot dazzle me, but he sure seems to dazzle a lot of you posters.
I caught Neil in a lie when he said he attended the big calcuttas held in Stubenville Ohio in the 1970s, And he was not even an ATA member until the early 1980s, check him out on shooter information center.
John Winget who has passed away pointed this out on this web site, as he used to help run that shoot, these were the largest paying calcutts ever.
Neil could not believe the patterns I posted w/my Caesar Guerini Choke tubes
So I posted the paper patterns stipulated the shot size, wad, and powder charge on reloads, and followed up with new factory shells, well tonight I broke the long bird that has gone un broken for the last 3 -4 weeks w/my Caesar Guerini and got 40% of the pot.
Neil does not like anyone to challenge him or doubt him, ask Neil did he support the 2 hole target rule, and ask him about the Phil Kiner subject
given to him and watch him squirm and ramble.
I like challenges so give it a try at Cardinal Center on Olympic Trap @ 27 yards if they will do that for a money raiser @ $25.00 per 25 targets
Contact OSTA President about it, I have only shot it one time so I have not practiced up on it.
Gary Bryant Real name and life member ATA 40-10126
Dr.longshot Name given to me on my testing of reloads w longshot