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For those of you who have contacted me directly and asked for a new thread, here it is. Thanks for your interest.

For those who hated the first thread and will not believe regardless of how compelling the evidence is, here is your chance to flame me again.

Information offered here is courtesy of the new book, 2005 vintage, "Ultimate Sacrifice" by Lamar Waldron. it is a lengthy work with exhaustive research of official FBI and CIA documents that have been released since the inception of the JFK Assassination Records Act. It is at times hard to follow due to the intense detail, at other times repetitive, but all times riveting and shocking in it's revelations and startling detail.

To start this off, the book details and gives conclusive and irrefutable evidence that elements within the CIA worked with Mafia Dons Carlos Marcello and Santo Trafficante to plan, raise financing and then put in place, what would turn out to be 3 attempts on JFK's life. The FBI and CIA had in their possession and yet suppressed evidence of these plots from the Warren Commission. This was later confirmed by the House Select Committee on Assassinations which met in 1979.

The evidence included: FBI taped conversations between Marcello and FBI informant Ed Becker, in which startling details of the coming assassination were revealed. Another FBI surveillance tape between Santo Trafficante and Jose Aleman detailing the plans and direct threats against JFK's life. FBI tapes of Right Wing extremist Joseph Milteer of Miami telling another FBI undercover agent of a master plan in place that would involve attempts on JFK in 3 different locations, Chicago, Tampa and Dallas. He told of the plan to use rifle teams placed around motorcade routes, and having a "patsy" in place to take the fall.

There are chapters in this book, backed up by FBI and CIA documents released after the Warren Commission report was released, in which both Mafia and CIA assassins were identified and confirmed to be in Dealey Plaza on 11-22-63. Mafia hit men Johnny Roselli, Charles Harrelson, Eugene Brading, Charles Nicoletti and CIA contract assassins Michel Victor Mertz, Jean Souetre, and Lucien Sarte.

For the feint of heart, the book tells of the CIA's ZR/RIFLE and "Executive Action" programs and how they were used over the years in successful assassinations of many political leaders both foreign and domestic, and how the CIA at times employed Mafia based and professional European assassins in these actions.

This is a start. Let the discussion begin. What do you want to know?

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For those of you who have contacted me directly and asked for a new thread, here it is. Thanks for your interest.

For those who hated the first thread and will not believe regardless of how compelling the evidence is, here is your chance to flame me again.

Information offered here is courtesy of the new book, 2005 vintage, "Ultimate Sacrifice" by Lamar Waldron. it is a lengthy work with exhaustive research of official FBI and CIA documents that have been released since the inception of the JFK Assassination Records Act. It is at times hard to follow due to the intense detail, at other times repetitive, but all times riveting and shocking in it's revelations and startling detail.

To start this off, the book details and gives conclusive and irrefutable evidence that elements within the CIA worked with Mafia Dons Carlos Marcello and Santo Trafficante to plan, raise financing and then put in place, what would turn out to be 3 attempts on JFK's life. The FBI and CIA had in their possession and yet suppressed evidence of these plots from the Warren Commission. This was later confirmed by the House Select Committee on Assassinations which met in 1979.

The evidence included: FBI taped conversations between Marcello and FBI informant Ed Becker, in which startling details of the coming assassination were revealed. Another FBI surveillance tape between Santo Trafficante and Jose Aleman detailing the plans and direct threats against JFK's life. FBI tapes of Right Wing extremist Joseph Milteer of Miami telling another FBI undercover agent of a master plan in place that would involve attempts on JFK in 3 different locations, Chicago, Tampa and Dallas. He told of the plan to use rifle teams placed around motorcade routes, and having a "patsy" in place to take the fall.

There are chapters in this book, backed up by FBI and CIA documents released after the Warren Commission report was released, in which both Mafia and CIA assassins were identified and confirmed to be in Dealey Plaza on 11-22-63. Mafia hit men Johnny Roselli, Charles Harrelson, Eugene Brading, Charles Nicoletti and CIA contract assassins Michel Victor Mertz, Jean Souetre, and Lucien Sarte.

For the feint of heart, the book tells of the CIA's ZR/RIFLE and "Executive Action" programs and how they were used over the years in successful assassinations of many political leaders both foreign and domestic, and how the CIA at times employed Mafia based and professional European assassins in these actions.

This is a start. Let the discussion begin. What do you want to know?

Bobby Ward
 

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Bobby,

The world is full of evil. Look at your daily newspaper.

The world also contains some good, too.

JFK is one of a Billion people in history who played a big game, got crushed, and is now gone.

There were probably some "bad people" involved in this ordeal; but then again, there always are, in everything bad that happens.

The Republic lives on.

Move on with your life.

There - consider yourself flamed!
 

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Bobby,

The world is full of evil. Look at your daily newspaper.

The world also contains some good, too.

JFK is one of a Billion people in history who played a big game, got crushed, and is now gone.

There were probably some "bad people" involved in this ordeal; but then again, there always are, in everything bad that happens.

The Republic lives on.

Move on with your life.

There - consider yourself flamed!
 

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buzzgun,
My life is quite fine actually and includes interests that are obviously contrary to yours. I would remind you friend that participation in any thread is a choice, NOT an obligation. You might want to consider that here.

Shoot well and be well.

Curt,

Thank you friend. You would not believe how many positive contacts I have had via the thread and especially directly to my email address. I am glad that others find interest in this subject. It is my intent to offer factual information.

Bobby
 

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buzzgun,
My life is quite fine actually and includes interests that are obviously contrary to yours. I would remind you friend that participation in any thread is a choice, NOT an obligation. You might want to consider that here.

Shoot well and be well.

Curt,

Thank you friend. You would not believe how many positive contacts I have had via the thread and especially directly to my email address. I am glad that others find interest in this subject. It is my intent to offer factual information.

Bobby
 

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yada, yada, yada,yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada.

Lee Harvey did it
No, it was the mafia
No, it was the Cubans
No, it was the Russians
No, it was the Girl Scouts
No, it was I who done it
 

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yada, yada, yada,yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada.

Lee Harvey did it
No, it was the mafia
No, it was the Cubans
No, it was the Russians
No, it was the Girl Scouts
No, it was I who done it
 

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jbmi,

The short answer to your question is this. JFK was furious with the CIA after the Bay of Pigs fiasco and the fallout that fell on him. He fired then CIA Director Allen Dulles and his two top ranking assistants and promised to dismantle the organizations into 1000 pieces and scatter them into the wind. He had put plans in place to put all intelligence services under the supervision of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. JFK was also tired of J.Edgar Hoover and was trying to force him to retire from the FBI as was talking with his advisors about replacing Hoover early in his next term. Therefore, the CIA would stand the most to lose under Kennedys plan and they were not prepared to allow that to happen. Next in line with much to lose was Hoover and the FBI. Disbelievers in a conspiracy concept will tell you that something as huge as this just couldn't happen. However, when you consider that the program for assassination was already in place and had been perfected for years, the CIA and FBI controlled the investigation of JFK's murder and only funneled what information they wanted to the Warren Commission. So, they controlled not only the murder itself, they controlled and steered the investigation too. Only after official documents were declassified did this come to light.
 

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jbmi,

The short answer to your question is this. JFK was furious with the CIA after the Bay of Pigs fiasco and the fallout that fell on him. He fired then CIA Director Allen Dulles and his two top ranking assistants and promised to dismantle the organizations into 1000 pieces and scatter them into the wind. He had put plans in place to put all intelligence services under the supervision of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. JFK was also tired of J.Edgar Hoover and was trying to force him to retire from the FBI as was talking with his advisors about replacing Hoover early in his next term. Therefore, the CIA would stand the most to lose under Kennedys plan and they were not prepared to allow that to happen. Next in line with much to lose was Hoover and the FBI. Disbelievers in a conspiracy concept will tell you that something as huge as this just couldn't happen. However, when you consider that the program for assassination was already in place and had been perfected for years, the CIA and FBI controlled the investigation of JFK's murder and only funneled what information they wanted to the Warren Commission. So, they controlled not only the murder itself, they controlled and steered the investigation too. Only after official documents were declassified did this come to light.
 

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Oh my God, the US military did the 911 attacks. That just has to be true or it wouldn't be on the internet. Osama was just an innocent patsy. Our government did all this just to steal oil from the middle east. We're going after Iran's oil next, you just watch.
 

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Oh my God, the US military did the 911 attacks. That just has to be true or it wouldn't be on the internet. Osama was just an innocent patsy. Our government did all this just to steal oil from the middle east. We're going after Iran's oil next, you just watch.
 

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is this the Kornspiracy that also claims JFK was within a week of invading Cuber when he was killed?

sorry if I'm getting you people confused, but with so many kornspiracy hobbyists around, its hard to figure out who's who without a scorecard.
 

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is this the Kornspiracy that also claims JFK was within a week of invading Cuber when he was killed?

sorry if I'm getting you people confused, but with so many kornspiracy hobbyists around, its hard to figure out who's who without a scorecard.
 

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Gee, another conspiracy theory just when I watched the Discovery Channel special. I thought the x-ray work on the clothing to establish the Kennedy/Connely single bullet trajectory, shooting the same bullet into 42" of solid wood without causing significant deformation, and the true angle/distance shooting into bone laiden ballistc gel torsos were persuasive.

When I stood looking out from the Texas Book Depository and then on the "x" in the roadway I was surprised at how easy the 180' going away shot would have been. It looks much farther in books and than on tape.

No boogey men here, except maybe the ones who write the never ending stream of conspiracy theory books that part the paranoid from their hard earned cash.
 

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Gee, another conspiracy theory just when I watched the Discovery Channel special. I thought the x-ray work on the clothing to establish the Kennedy/Connely single bullet trajectory, shooting the same bullet into 42" of solid wood without causing significant deformation, and the true angle/distance shooting into bone laiden ballistc gel torsos were persuasive.

When I stood looking out from the Texas Book Depository and then on the "x" in the roadway I was surprised at how easy the 180' going away shot would have been. It looks much farther in books and than on tape.

No boogey men here, except maybe the ones who write the never ending stream of conspiracy theory books that part the paranoid from their hard earned cash.
 
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