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Just bought this shotgun it comes with 2 barrels , one is blued and the other is Damascus steel both 26 inches . Serial numbers 294xxx date back 1917 . How can you tell if it's grade 1 or 1.5 ? What's the point of having 2 same gauage barrels , maybe backup is my guess?
I might also over paid by a little I think ? Gun is on hold for 10 days , will definitely up load pics of it .
Any of your input is appreciated .
 

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A nice Ithaca Flues tutorial courtesy of David Noreen
Ithaca flus 20 ga ejector ? - The DoubleGun BBS @ doublegunshop.com

‘1S’ on the action flats means it is a No. 1 Special, with Cockerill Steel. Field grades were marked ‘S’ and supplied with "Smokeless Powder Steel" and so marked on the right barrel.

Up into early 1915, the No. 1 1/2 had the frame with the roll-stamped dog with company name and a bit of zig-zag border engraving with Damascus barrels, while the Field Grade, No. 1 and the No. 1 Special just had the roll-stamped dog with company name. Field Grade had Smokeless Powder Steel and a half-pistol grip stock. The No. 1 had Twist steel barrels and the No. 1 Special had Cockerill Steel barrels. In mid-1915, Ithaca Gun Co. introduced the bold floral engraving on the No. 1 1/2 and added the option of Krupp Fluid Steel barrels.

The entry-level Flues Model Ithaca doubles, the Field Grade, the No. 1, the No. 1 Special and the No. 1 1/2 were in a constant state of flux from 1915 through 1919 as Ithaca ran out of composite iron and steel barrel tubes and of course through that time frame Krupp barrels fell out of favor in the U.S. In a couple of catalogs the No. 1 had the zig-zag border engraving that prior to mid-1915 had been on the No. 1 1/2, and they all got steel barrels as the European sources of Twist and Damascus barrels dried up due to the Great War. By late 1919 catalogs Ithaca Gun Co. had simplified the line. The Field Grade got a capped pistol grip stock, the No. 1 Special and the No. 1 1/2 were gone and the "New" No. 1 had the floral engraving of the 1915 to 1918 No. 1 1/2, with "Fluid Steel" barrels. How much these changes in the catalogs led or lagged what the workers on the factory floor were building is anyone's guess. That is how the No. 1 remained well into the NID period until the No. 1 and 3 were both dropped circa 1935.

In the January 1, 1916, catalogue Ithaca Gun Co. is still offering the full array of Twist and Damascus barrels. The next Ithaca Gun Co. catalogue I have is July 29, 1919, and there are no Twist or Damascus barrels offered.

2 barrel sets are not common and it is possible that the fluid steel barrels were added at a later date by Ithaca if the SNs match. What gauge?
The gun, and both barrels, need to be evaluated by a double gun specialist before use.
 

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Just bought this shotgun it comes with 2 barrels , one is blued and the other is Damascus steel both 26 inches . Serial numbers 294xxx date back 1917 . How can you tell if it's grade 1 or 1.5 ? What's the point of having 2 same gauage barrels , maybe backup is my guess?
I might also over paid by a little I think ? Gun is on hold for 10 days , will definitely up load pics of it .
Any of your input is appreciated .
Buckky,

The water table and the barrel flats should be marked with the grade (my Flues SBT guns of this era are grade marked this way).

Your serial number actually shows a 1918 production date, based on the corrected Flues serial number table (please see below). The old table had a typo in the ending serial number range for 1917, which could cause some confusion.

Most likely the Damascus barrels were original and the fluid steel barrels were added later. What are the chokes? That could be the reason for the two (2) barrel sets, one set could be more open and the other set tighter, based on how the gun was to be used or hunted with.

Drew gives some really great information on this rather confusing and interesting grade.

Please do post some pics.

Bob


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