Italian Powders / Did we ever see them on these shores ?
Giulio Fiocchi / Cheddite / Nobel Sport primers and others have been around for a while in North America,..how come we don't see Italian powders ?
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Two comments - not sure how they impact your question...
1) Most shotgun powders used in Italy are single based powders - not a popular product here, per se.
2) Italian law is crazily strict on powder/explosive production and possession. Fiocchi is forbidden from making powder, because they make ammunition, if I recall correctly they use a lot of Spanish produced powders.
1) Most shotgun powders used in Italy are single based powders - not a popular product here, per se.
2) Italian law is crazily strict on powder/explosive production and possession. Fiocchi is forbidden from making powder, because they make ammunition, if I recall correctly they use a lot of Spanish produced powders.
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The fascist in Italy are only slowly going away. The Italian communist party only fell apart after the Soviet Union failed. Socialist influence is heavy. Now the Chinese communists are digging deep into Italian affairs. All these group interests keep the “means to resist” very hard to acquire.
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I have traveled much of Europe and I have seen the damage done by the Nazis/Fascists/Communists first hand. Even seen the balcony they hanged the body of Mussolini from. I have a few pieces of the Berlin Wall on my mantel piece, as well as shell casings from WWI and WWII.
Italy has a real problem to which you allude. They have had a communist party for years - but their big deal was refusing to wear ties and suits - preferring American jeans instead. They are rather naive on world politics, especially the use of force and violence - and as you say have opened a door for the Chinese to enter, filling the void behind the Russians as the retreated eastward out of Europe proper.
Italy has a real problem to which you allude. They have had a communist party for years - but their big deal was refusing to wear ties and suits - preferring American jeans instead. They are rather naive on world politics, especially the use of force and violence - and as you say have opened a door for the Chinese to enter, filling the void behind the Russians as the retreated eastward out of Europe proper.
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I think Fiocchi has a plant in the USA. Missouri or possibly Texas sticks in my mind but I think it is Missouri?
Anybody know for sure? I bought a bunch of Vectan GM3 before Graf's ran out. So far I like it.
Anybody know for sure? I bought a bunch of Vectan GM3 before Graf's ran out. So far I like it.
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It is in Ozark, Missouri.
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They have a factory in Ozark, MO and are just finishing a new one in Little Rock, AR.
The Ozark plant loads rifle, pistol, and shot shells - but owing to the single based nature of most European powders the MO plant uses all US sourced powders. There is a ballistics lab used for load development in the plant itself.
The Ozark plant loads rifle, pistol, and shot shells - but owing to the single based nature of most European powders the MO plant uses all US sourced powders. There is a ballistics lab used for load development in the plant itself.
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Thanks, I kinda figured if they made ammo here they could use whatever powders were available to them. Missouri was stuck in my mind. With any luck I may be moving to Missouri soon myself. See ya Illinois & J.B. Fata$$ Pritzker.
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Freight costs can kill powder shipments.
I used to use VV N310 in my target 9mm loads (2.6 VVN310, 115 SWC @ 800 fps). Good for sub 1 inch groups at 50 yards in my SIG P210 ST. However the Aussie importer stopped bringing it in. I was told that the cost to freight "explosives" (yes I know the argument about whether it is, and if so how explosive it is, but it's classified as explosive for freight purposes) was up to 10 times the cost for normal freight.
They were already charging $80 AUD per pound. They told me the cost would have doubled, so they stopped importing it.
I used to use VV N310 in my target 9mm loads (2.6 VVN310, 115 SWC @ 800 fps). Good for sub 1 inch groups at 50 yards in my SIG P210 ST. However the Aussie importer stopped bringing it in. I was told that the cost to freight "explosives" (yes I know the argument about whether it is, and if so how explosive it is, but it's classified as explosive for freight purposes) was up to 10 times the cost for normal freight.
They were already charging $80 AUD per pound. They told me the cost would have doubled, so they stopped importing it.
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2) Italian law is crazily strict on powder/explosive production and possession. Fiocchi is forbidden from making powder, because they make ammunition, if I recall correctly they use a lot of Spanish produced powders.
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This cannot be true because B&P make their own powder and shells and this can be seen in Pat Mc Kean's post above.
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This cannot be true because B&P make their own powder and shells and this can be seen in Pat Mc Kean's post above.
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My father immigrated from southern Italy in the early 50’s, by ship. I remembered he had a couple small tins he brought with him since he hunted and reloaded. I think he may still have them, MB and Sipe , if my memory is correct.
My father is 92 now... I should go and check if he still has these small tins....maybe regulations were different then, but B-P definitely make powder...... I’ll post pics if I find them.
Pictures I found on the web:
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My father is 92 now... I should go and check if he still has these small tins....maybe regulations were different then, but B-P definitely make powder...... I’ll post pics if I find them.
Pictures I found on the web:
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That's pretty cool. Bringing powder is really funny, better to be prepared I guess. Too bad whatever he brought over to shoot it in was lost in that boating accident years ago. Calabrese here, Grandpa came over around 1910, Casole Bruzzio.My father immigrated from southern Italy in the early 50’s, by ship. I remembered he had a couple small tins he brought with him since he hunted and reloaded. I think he may still have them, MB and Sipe , if my memory is correct. My father is 92 now... I should go and check if he still has these small tins....maybe regulations were different then, but B-P definitely make powder...... I’ll post pics if I find them.
Pictures I found on the web:
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