Trapshooters Forum banner

1 - 9 of 9 Posts

·
Registered
Joined
·
3,712 Posts
Discussion Starter #1
Volunteers aren't under the direct control of the government. Therefore, like self employed people whose actions can't be directly controlled by government, they are a threat to total government control. The government doesn't like anything they don't have dictatorial control over and that includes volunteers.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
8,218 Posts
Seems to me that if a person "volunteers" they are usually employed somewhere with insurance or already has insurance by other means in their everyday life. Let's not forget that the person who volunteers is usually someone who is responsible.

Before some of you get your panties in a bunch I'm sure there are exceptions. OK?
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
25,277 Posts
What, exactly, is the ruling?
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
7,038 Posts
The International Association of Fire Chiefs has asked the Internal Revenue Service, which has partial oversight of the law, to clarify if current IRS treatment of volunteer firefighters as employees means their hose companies or towns must offer health insurance coverage or pay a penalty if they don't.

The organization representing the fire chiefs has been working on the issue with the IRS and White House for months.

So far, the IRS hasn't decided what to do.

Efforts to reach spokesmen for the IRS were unsuccessful.

Under the fire chiefs' organization's interpretation, the concern goes like this:

The health care reform law, known officially as the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act and derisively by Republicans as Obamacare, requires employers with 50 or more full-time employees to offer health insurance. Companies with fewer than 50 employees do not have to offer insurance. Full-time employees are defined as an employee who works 30 or more hours a week.

Such employers who don't offer health insurance must pay fines.

The requirement is complicated by differing interpretations about the status of volunteer firefighters within the federal government. The Department of Labor, according to the fire chiefs group, classifies most volunteers as non-employees, but the IRS considers all volunteer firefighters and emergency medical personnel to be employees of their departments.

"If the IRS classifies volunteer firefighters and emergency medical personnel as employees in their final rule, fire departments may be unintentionally forced to comply with requirements that could force them to curtail their emergency response activities or close entirely," the chiefs' group says on its website.

Mr. Barletta said the problem could be even more complicated if the IRS counts volunteer hose companies as one department in towns with more than one hose company or as part of a town's workforce. Definitions like that could bump the total numbers beyond the 50-employee threshold and require offering coverage that towns or hose companies cannot afford, he said. The IRS must also define what sort of volunteer duty counts toward the 30-hour-a-week limit.

Mr. Barletta wrote a letter urging the IRS to write a rule that labels volunteer firefighters as non-employees.

Bruce Moeller, chairman of a task force for the fire chiefs group and head of safety and emergency services for Pinellas County, Fla., said the problem arose because the IRS already considers volunteers as employees and requires all departments to issue W-2 forms for any sort of compensation for volunteers. He's sure Congress did not intend to require volunteer fire departments to offer health insurance when it passed the health law.

"Welcome to federal regulations," he said. "It's one of those quirks."


Read more: http://medcitynews.com/2013/12/obamacare-fire-unintended-effect-volunteer-firefighters/#ixzz2nCLslyi9
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,832 Posts
I know that the IRS has control over this: But why the hell are we putting up with the IRS making decisions about our health care??
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
7,038 Posts
RE: full time employees

Under Obama Care, 30 hours, not 40 is when it kicks in.

The reason many stores in the mall (as an example) are limiting workers to 29 hours.

I talked to one young lady that works part of the day in one store, walks across the hall, and works in another store the rest of the day in order to increase her work hours, as neither one will let her work more then 29 hours per week. She said she was getting in about 50 hours a week. Young and single and said she was being paid over minimum wage.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
3,639 Posts
Before someone tells me that there is no rule or such, I really wish they would take 10 or 20 seconds to do a web search to check out the true facts for themselves.

Normally when I put a link up I just code it as a "click here" entry. In this case I will make an exception to show the full URL in case anyone has any doubts about what the actual IRS provided document says about volunteer firefighters. You can refer to page 8 and see the specific mention explaining the IRS position.

<a href="http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-tege/public_employers_outreach_guide.pdf"> http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-tege/public_employers_outreach_guide.pdf <//a>
 

·
Premium Member
Joined
·
18,864 Posts
I'm sure our exhaultant ruler will have an executive order to repair this glitch.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,643 Posts
RWT, you are asking the right question. Fact is it's easier to go along than stand on principle. This is demonstrated by a large number of members on this forum. Society as a whole has become complacent regarding the actions of their elected representatives.

In the words of President John Kennedy, "ask not." Get to your polling place come election time, weather and everything else be damned.

Robert
 
1 - 9 of 9 Posts
Top