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How the GOP lost Middle America

By: Patrick J. Buchanan<br>
1/31/2014 09:19 AM

Out of the Republican retreat on Maryland’s Eastern shore comes word that the House leadership is raising the white flag of surrender on immigration.

The GOP will agree to halt the deportation of 12 million illegal aliens, and sign on to a blanket amnesty. It only asks that the 12 million not be put on a path to citizenship.
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Sorry, but losers do not dictate terms. Rich Trumka of the AFL-CIO says amnesty is no longer enough. Illegal aliens must be put on a path to citizenship and given green cards to work — and join unions.

Rep. Paul Ryan and the Wall Street Journal are for throwing in the towel. Legalize them all and start them on the path to citizenship.

A full and final capitulation. Let’s get it over with.

To understand why and how the Republican Party lost Middle America, and faces demographic death, we need to go back to Bush I.

At the Cold War’s end, the GOP reached a fork in the road. The determination of Middle Americans to preserve the country they grew up in, suddenly collided with the profit motive of Corporate America.

The Fortune 500 wanted to close factories in the USA and ship production abroad — where unions did not exist, regulations were light, taxes were low, and wages were a fraction of what they were here in America.

Corporate America was going global and wanted to be rid of its American work force, the best paid on earth, and replace it with cheap foreign labor.

While manufacturing sought to move production abroad, hotels, motels, bars, restaurants, farms and construction companies that could not move abroad also wanted to replace their expensive American workers.

Thanks to the Republican Party, Corporate America got it all.

U.S. factories in the scores of thousands were shut down, shedding their American workers. Foreign-made goods poured in, filling U.S. stores and killing the manufacturers who had stayed behind, loyal to their U.S. workers.

The Reagan prosperity was exported to Asia and China by the Bush Republicans. And the Reagan Democrats reciprocated by deserting the Bush Republican Party and going home. But this was not the end of what this writer described in his 1998 book, “The Great Betrayal.”

As those hotels, motels, restaurants, bars, fast-food shops, car washes, groceries and other service industries also relished the rewards of cheap foreign labor, they got government assistance in replacing their American workers.

Since 1990, some 30 to 40 million immigrants, legal and illegal, have entered the country. This huge increase in the labor force, at the same time the U.S. was shipping factories abroad, brought massive downward pressure on wages. The real wages of Middle Americans have stagnated for decades.

What was wildly wonderful for Corporate America was hell on Middle America. But the Republican Party had made its choice. It had sold its soul to the multinationals. And as it went along with NAFTA, GATT, fast track and mass immigration, to appease Corporate America, it lost Middle America.

The party went with the folks who paid for their campaigns, only to lose the folks who had given them their landslides.

When Republicans accede to the demand for amnesty, and immigration without end, it does not take a political genius to see what is going to happen. For it is happening now.

Almost all of those breaking our laws, crossing the border, and overstaying their visas are young, poor or working class. Between 80 and 90 percent are from Asia, Africa, the Middle East and Latin America.

They are Third World peoples. They believe in government action and government programs that provide their families with free education, health care, housing, food, and income subsidies. They are not Bob Taft or Barry Goldwater conservatives.

Perhaps 85 percent of all immigrants, legal and illegal, more than a million a year now, are people of color. And while over 70 percent of Hispanics and Asians voted Democratic for Obama, among voters of African descent, the Obama vote was well above 90 percent.

Four of every five U.S. citizens of Asian, African and Hispanic descent vote Democratic in presidential elections. And it is their numbers that are growing. Already they are well over a third of the U.S. population.

As has been observed often, America, demographically, is going to look like California. And while Nixon won California all five times he was on a national ticket, and Reagan won California in landslides all four times he ran, California has not gone Republican in six straight presidential elections.

Democrats outnumber Republicans there by more than two-to-one in the Congressional delegation and in the state assembly, and not a single Republican holds statewide office.

If Bush I had built that border fence back in 1992 and declared a moratorium on legal immigration that fall, as many implored him to do, the party of the Bushes would not be facing its demise well before midcentury.

Patrick J. Buchanan is the author of “Suicide of a Superpower: Will America Survive to 2025?”
 

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I notice he blatantly leaves out how the GOP also abandoned gun owners, starting with not vetoing FOPA86 when it got a poison pill, GHW Bush screwing gun owners, and several GOP senators and congressmen voting for all the Clinton era gun bans (none of which would have passed without their help).

This came back to bite GHW Bush in his reelection bid, it helped shoot down Dole's bid for the White House, ditto McCain, and lost a few senators their seats, like Gordon Smith of Oregon, who ticked off his gun owning conservative eastern Oregon base and we wound up with a liberal.

Combine it all and the anger is increasing every year, to the point where there is a civil war within the GOP. The RINOs are determined to keep the GOP liberal and a lot of conservatives, especially tea partiers and some gun owners, are determined to scuttle their chances at office if they keep embracing gun bans and liberalism.

The GOP has either jumped the shark or is very close to doing so.
 

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There is a disconnect out there somewhere. My niece, who is Nordic in appearance, married a Hispanic man with Nolan as a last name. His ancestors came from Spain but they have lived just South of the Arkansas river since the 1600's as pioneers and settlers. He speaks Spanish fluently and works ( second job ) as an interpreter in the court system in Western Kansas. He has nothing AT ALL good to say about illegals and a more conservative person you would be hard pressed to find. Smart enough to know that the TEA party and the Reform/Libertarian's will only ensure the election of the liberal/progressive alternative unless they start out slow and first win local and then state elections. Can't jump right to the top and get anything done. Jesse Ventura, Reform Party, won but exactly what real, lasting, good did he do in Minnesota?

Buchanan might be right about some things but he is a bit tendentious for me. The reaction to his phraseology gets heated on both sides. You can't simply peacably disagree with his premise, you have to slap him upside the head or kiss him.

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Excuse me, but we've been battling anti-gun liberal RINOs for almost three decades. And we're supposed to put off their backstabbing and supporting liberals until we win local elections? When you have cancer you don't put off fighting it, and these anti-gun liberal RINOs are a cancer on the GOP. If they had been voted out in the first place instead of caving in with the lesser of two evils gambit, we would not be having a civil war within the GOP now.
 

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Guaranteing that the liberal wins is a suicidal move too. That's how we got billy blow-job. TWICE H. Ross Perot took votes away from the republicrat candidate and gave it to the demonrat. How was THAT better for your 'gun rights'? Hell it was william jefferson blow-job and his demonrats in congress that gave you the 'Brady Bill' of '94.

Commit suicide for yourself, don't force the rest of the country to follow you down the tubes. Start small and work your way up. You sound like my youngest son. Give him a job and right away he wants to be the boss. It don't work that way. Start local then go global.

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Sixteen states comprising 250+ of the 271 electoral votes needed to win the White House have gone Democrat every Presidential election since 1992. The White House is gone for us, forever. We cannot win it. Focus on electing Liberty candidates to Congress. We don't have to start local; but we can't obsess over the Top Prize, either.


I will say one thing in defense of Brian: the gun issue is indeed very special. I've seen otherwise liberal people come our way on this, when common ground was not possible on any other issue. It's the only policy fight where our side went full kumite with Obama and won. He wanted the AW ban after Sandy Hook, and had to stand there pissed on the podium when he didn't get it. People want guns. When doubting people are exposed to them under favorable circumstances, they are converted. This is the one small crack that Liberty can drive into the statist project in America, it's unique to our culture, unlike any of the western European social democracies, and it's up to us to carry the water. Those of us who own guns - every person has to get a person. It's the most important thing you will ever do.


"Gun People" are the Stalingrad of Liberalism. Romney was right; we cannot win on economic policy. People are increasingly lazy. But even the laziest still don't like being told they can't have their guns. It's a small opening, where otherwise clueless people can see through a little porthole into the sunny sky of freedom, and begin to wonder privately to themselves if the statists aren't really full of it anyway.


More CCWs, more guns being bought, more people training...more people learning what it means to be responsible FOR YOUR OWN DESTINY IN LIFE, who would never encounter that viewpoint if all the Republicans ever talked about was economic policy and war. It's a good thing; let it work. But if the Republicans cave on gun control, it's just like amnesty - we've given up another one of our positive absolutes where the public is with us, in a way that the Democrats can never agree with.


The Cold War went away; the Repubs had to find another issue. Now, that issue, social values, has gone away from them as well. People want gays to be able to marry, they want the abortion issue to go away. Shelve the social issues, and stick to practical, first-person things like guns and amnesty that people know affect them personally.


Go get a non-gun person hooked on guns. Make a day of it. Eat lunch, then head to the range and provide their ammo for them. Don't press it, just put it in their hand, show them how to use it safely, let them see that lightning doesn't strike them dead...and let their own mind do the rest. It may take a few times. That's ok...we're in this for the long haul. One person at a time, sticking their toe into the cool water of self-sufficiency and responsibility, is good enough.
 

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To me this country started on the road to suicide on 1/20/89 when Bush 41 uttered the phrase "a kinder, gentler, nation" in his inaugural address. Touchy feely, go along to get along.

Now if they(GOP) go along with this immigration - it will be pulling the trigger. The pistol has been loaded, the gun has been lifted to the head, now the decision is - do we put the gun down, or go ahead and pull the trigger.

I think it is probably too late anyway. It's just too damn late, the process can't be reversed.

Brian, the GOP can nominate the most pro gun candidate and he is still going to lose. The numbers just don't add up.

50 million on food stamps, 92 million people of working age not working, median income lower now that 5 years ago, unemployment rate still around 7%, more people have lost their health insurance through Obamacare than gained insurance. And the f___ing GOP leadership wants to grant amnesty to 20 to 30 million more people and when they become legal and bring their other family members in we are looking at another 100million people in this country?????WTF?????????

Insanity.
 

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The simple reasons that the GOP is in the tank are:

1. They spend entirely too much conversation on God.

2. They are out of touch with the issue of a woman's right to choose.

The party would surely receive ample support by simply backing off the

hard line approach to these two issues.....but the same approach

that we use regarding second amendment issues (that's never give an inch,

because they will always want more), is in the DNA of the Republican leadership

now.....they are afraid to do otherwise.....and once the balance scales have

tipped, the scenerio (sp?) will have to be played out to the finish.....we

will all have to be dragged down to the lowest of the low before the dopes say

enough. You have to win first, in order to lead.....and if what you're doing

ain't working, do something else. How hard is that?
 

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Quote: <i>"You have to win first, in order to lead.....and if what you're doing
ain't working, do something else. How hard is that?"</i>

I'm glad you see the problem that nominating anti-gun liberal RINOs over and over and over is not working, and it's time to do something else. Like nominate Second Amendment friendly conservatives. Simple. Thank you.
 

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You didn't mention the anti-conservative media.

Although I'm not a Christie fan, the media thinks he's the only hope for the GOP. Although a RINO, he does have an "R" behind him.

There has been more negative news about Bridgegate in the last 2 weeks than Benghazi in the last year and half.
 

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Brian and WGH are correct,,,,,,,,but I think W and other r's think that giving in to look like the dumbos is the way to win,,,,,,,,granting amnesty will NOT get the Mexican vote,,,,,,,,heck it won't even get half of it,,,,,,,,now you have pi$$ed off the conservative side of the country who will now start looking towards a third party,,,,,,,,if repubs want to win elections they need to look at history when they won the only true landslides and stop listening to the over educated, over analyzing establishment "consultants/handlers" telling them what wail work,,,,,,,circa Bob Dole and John McCain...........
 
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