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I have seen this topic come up so many times and I am like all of us we have a opinion. However, I never really seen anybody prove it. So in the boardum of winter my son and I loaded and shot a single shell until it destructed. Each time it was speed tested and photo'd. I know some will say "if this" or "if that" but I will just state what we did and the speeds with pictures. You can still use your own judgement to "how many times should it be loaded?"


Started with a new once fired Remington hull. The load is 15.6 GNS of 700X with 1oz of shot, using the dr rem replacement wad and a winch 209 primer. a #408 bushing on a PW 950 auto drive loader. All shot through a imp. cylinder o/u shotgun.

As for speed loss you do not see any speed loss until after 8-10 loads and after that it was a mere 20 FPS. After 13 it dropped near 40 FPS. As side notes, load #8 was showing 1 crack at top fold. Load #9 had 2. Load 10 had 5. But it wasnt until after 10 you started to see pin hole light at the base of the folds even though some were split at the fold. Even with cracks in the folds it never lossed speed. The hull finally split on #13 but continued to load and fire until #20 when the brass fell off. Lots of pics so you can be the judge however, IMO I think 10-13 would be max.

#1 unknown was a once fired
#2 1196 FPS
#3 1205
#4 1209
#5 1207
#6 1169 *probably a non-consistant drop
#7 1200
#8 1199 *1 crack at top folds
#9 1185 *2 cracks at top folds
#10 1178 *5 cracks
#11 1183 *5 cracks
#12 1175 *6 cracks
#13 1171 *6 cracks at top and now pin holes at lower fold, first case split
#14 1160 *more case splitting
#15 1159 *excessive splitting
#16 1188
#17 1159
#18 1154
#19 1153 *hull finally expanded enough had slight preasure into barrel
#20 1155





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Excellent writeup. You should get the no BS topic of the year. Some of the photos look like my old school AA's that i want to last forever. Jw
 

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Informative. I know you were doing this for educational and scientific purposes, but in the real world, once the hull splits, as in picture 12, its time to toss it. JMHO
 

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Great post and pictures. It seems like no matter what you do you find a critic in the wood pile.Its got my vote for the most imformative post on here so far
 

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David,

It was not a problem to keep it straight. It stayed true that way all the way up till the 20th shot when the brass got pushed off the back.

Another thing I noted was a primer would nearly fall out of it after 17 loads as well.
 

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no, no new plans on a AA. You could do hours of testing thats for sure. I would be more curious how a hotter 1 1/8 load would shorten life if any? I would think a hotter load would but who knows.
 

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One item of potential relevance you didn't state. Was this hull processe especially for one of "The Big Dogs"?

Great informative effort, himark.
 

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HooRahh!! Well it might just be very timely with all the GUN CONTROL bullshit going on lately. What in the hell could go wrong? The shell is enclosed in a steel tube made to hold the pressure of the cartridge discharging as it was designed to do. Yeah I know at any time after a few reloads the shell could seperate and you might have the hull stuck in the barrel. I am refering to a survival situation not just being on the line popping clays. Just saying. Never imagined a shotgun shell could be reloaded that many times. Thanks for the very informative post. I am sure many of todays modern hulls could be reloaded as many times or close to it. Bill
 

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On a side note there always seems to be somebody to try and knock your talleywhacker in the dirt no matter what you might try and show!! Just saying. Bill
 

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NICE presentation, thanks. Guess maybe I'm tossing mine too early, usually only go 6-7 trips. Did take 2 Nitro 27s through 12 just as an experiment and they looked just about the same as yours @ pic #12. Ross Puls
 
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