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NO NO NO NO The Executive Director is hired by the Executive Committe and works at their pleasure. Not your's, not mine and not the membership! Does that make my position clear? Also, see the above. Jimmy Borum
 

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I know Frank but am unwilling to respond to your question without knowing the facts of his dismissal. I don't think anyone can honestly answer without that knowledge.

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Who voted you to be a spokesperson trapitude? You ask a question, didn't like the answer and then jump on that person.

You explain, Whats your agenda??? Something personal????

By the way if I knew how I would make a bigger NO than jbbor.

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I like Frank R. but he worked at the pleasure of the EC. The decision is entirely up to the EC.

How many readers believe I should reinstate the house keeper I let go a month ago? You certainly know as much about that decision as you know about the decision to let Frank go.

Pat Ireland

PS- anyone interested in a position of house keeper for me?
 

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ED I am sure if you go talk to Frank he will be more than willing to explain his side of the story as for the EC I have already asked and asked and we are never going to get a response ...
I dont jump on anybody I didnt say you were stupid I ask why its a simple question ...likes to shoot believe me this whole subject is not just me its the good part of the trapshooting community that wants to know the answers but I guess I have more free time to ask the questions and at this point since you have time also why havent you asked them also
 

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Pat and the delegates serve at the pleasure of the members and also govern the EC where along the line did we get so out of whack as to who the ATA really is.
Would it be so wrong to ask to give the members a vote as to whom we put in the home office to look after the well being of OUR org?
 

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Some guys really think their forum comments have meaning. The real ATA shooters are out there shooting. We are just old bull-crappers with Trapitude setting the pace.
 

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Thought Frank had lost his mind when he took the job. It appears that my initial impression was confirmed.

Apparently the EC gave Frank his brains back.

TB
 

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Thanks MIA you know how it is I would much rather be on here listening to people give there honest opinions than say cleaning house or doing laundry or kicking the dog

The real ATA shooter cares about his org. is willing to get involved when he see's all things happening in which will eventually crumple or even tear apart what used to be a great sport.
 

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Me too TB but in his heart he really felt like that he could do some justice by accepting the position and get more involved in getting things back on the right track.

We all hear the talk of a new org..I am the first to tell you its not what i feel we need....but I will also be the first to tell you we have to fix the ATA from the inside out and there is but one way to do that and thats get rid of the garbage before the audits get underway or its going to make us look like we condone what is happening.
 

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Employment any where is typically "at will", that is at the will of the employer and the reasons why someone is terminated is almost always confidential. This case is no different. Move on!!!

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The EC works at our pleasure, but do you think we can get rid of them? They have added a buffer thru which they control so we can't directly throw them out.
 

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Git-er-done we can vote with memberships if there are no EC jobs to be had THEN WE NO longer have to let them spend away the membership money.Wouldnt take but a couple of years to GIT_ER DONE
all the while you can still go to your own gun club stay in shape or maybe even try out a little sjkeet ot sporting clays.
 
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