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Cleaning up reloading room and came across these old bullets/shells. Have had them for years and often wondered what they were. The bullet part is hollow wood with what looks like #8 shot,the wad is felt with paper attached to each side, there is 57 grains of very course powder and no markings at all on casings. Bottom of casing is 11/16" wide and 9/16" at bottom of base. The old shotgun shell is an old 2 1/2" 410 shell just for size comparision. Just curious. Thanks Paul

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That's start of description ... now how about case length and inside and outside neck diameter.

Otherwise, it is just a guessing game.

Then we can start looking it up in the old books.
 
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