When he refused to take it to his loacal dealer so you could pay cash?? I say he was up to something - you did ok by me and you were probably very lucky. I wont let people come to my house either but your offer to take $$$ to his dealer was straight up
When you're dealing with someone local I'd certainly view his odd requirements for the transaction as suspicious. If you won't meet me at a gunshop to transact a deal with an FFL present on a gun you're trying to sell I'd be real suspicious and tell you to keep it.....
Would you mail him a check and wait a week to hear from him to get your merchandise? If so, you're gonna lose some money.
If he was so scared of a face to face deal then he should and you should bring a friend each to a public area. I'm like you, a big red flag is up and waving. He either miss discribed the gun or is scared of his own shadow. I have met people in public areas and sold a gun now and then and yes I had a friend and some weight on the hip that he the buyer did not know about. In my state you are permitted to sell your property (gun) to another person without having it registered. I live in Va. You did the right thing by walking away. Personaly I would rather have cash then a check.
In my opinion, the best thing to do on most gun auctions is to have some communication with the seller prior to bidding. Oftentimes, you can tell a great deal about the seller by the timeliness and tone of their response. In your case, you could have asked him about doing a face to face deal and agree on the logistics prior to bidding and hopefully have avoided the problems you ultimately had to deal with. Sounds like your seller is not someone that you would want to do business with anyway and at least you didn’t get ripped off. Better to have a negative posted on you (be sure to post a polite but to the point rebuttal) than to lose your money. Also, a negative on your Gunbroker is not in and of itself cause to over worry. What most buyers or sellers look for in feedback is a pattern of business behavior that would be a legitimate cause for concern. At the same time, I understand your being mad about it as I would be as well. Also, Gunbroker may (I can’t remember for sure) require a seller to post negative in order for them to claim a refund on the selling fee that is applied to the seller’s account immediately upon close of the auction. This fee is in addition to the listing fee and is based on the selling price. Lastly, always agree in writing about inspection privilege and the parameters thereof before bidding on or buying any gun sight unseen. Art G.
PhillyD, good move. If it smells fishy, walk. You did the right thing.
I've had my FFL since 1989. I've seen a few deals in that time. This deal stunk. NO cash, NO face to face, NO three day inspection, NO refund. Pay some "gun shop" $40.00? FOR WHAT? They were not going to have to do anything.
"The purchase was "AS IS" and no inspection, no refund." THIS should have sent up the red flag from the very beginning.
If you have the name of the "gun shop", call them and ask if they know this guy. I can even understand this seller not wanting you to see where he lived and his house. Maybe he has a few hundred firearms and doesn't want to advertise there location. But the refusal to meet you at the shop doesn't make any sense.
Put his name up here so some of these guys can have a crack at that gun he is selling. I'll bet they would all be glad to send this guy a check and then wait for the gun to show up at some store. LMFAO
PhillyD, fortunately you aren't out any money and can still find another gun. On the other hand, I beieve magnumshot is correct in his assesment and interpretation of the gb.com rules; the face to face should have been arranged in advance of the close of the auction.
Post what you're looking for here. You might even get a better deal.
He said it all in the auction-"must be shipped to FFL" and also said you, the buyer had to pay Fed-X'S exact shipping charge. He excluded anything else by this-MUST BE SHIPPED....
He said a bank money order was his preferred payment, but you could, I suppose, send cast to him. No where does he agree to meet you or not ship, local or not.
Your problem is that he stuck to what his auction required and you didn't like it so you welched. Simple, isn't it.
Read it next time and don't be unpleasantly surprised.
NOTE: I am not implying you were unreasonable or that he was reasonable in this mess-just that the auction told you what had to happen to complete the sale and YOU decided you wanted to do it differently.
When a seller does not reply to emails that a flag. If the seller does not want cash thats a flag. Besides there is a three day look over rule when buying a gun through the mail. The sell was not willing to honor that rule. The seller is a bum.