Phil Kiner I also put you in the GOLD SLAM as you said you had you 100 from the 27 in 1980, also any others that had their 100 from the 27 prior to 1982 would also be in the GOLD SLAMs.
Like other sports when you change the difficulty or play baseball in a ball field with shorter outfields.
Neil just doesn't understand how much influence or advantage the 2 hole target
on the number of and quantity of high scores. His being a 2-holer from his beginning of trapshooting.
I started registering in 1968 and I saw how the 2 hole influenced the higher averages.
It was like in a previous posting where the gentleman posted Hdcp averages,
look how they went up, there were other things like adjustable combs, but the good old boys used moleskin, or paid to have an sdjustable comb put on their gun, before they came as std. equipment later on. I think the introduction of voice pulls had an effect on scores, as Pat Ireland noted.
I remember when WINCHESTER introduced the Silver Bullett at Southern Grand and they had 2++ on each side of the shell, I know a friend of mine chronographed
those MULE KICKING shells and they were over 1310fps, on a good chrono. It printed them out, I used to use those shells for buddy shoot shootoffs years ago. That was the first shoot where I seen them, they may have come out before then.
I had a 100 in Hdcp in 1970 from 24.5 yards at Springfield Ohio with a solid rib model 12 w/ 2 3/4 dram 8s, actually broke 103 birds if you counted the broken birds I broke. It was 4th of July weekend on a Sunday.
I have been on the 27 yard line for over 30 years now.
So I know better than 2-hole Neil about 2 hole targets.
Larry Gravestock in vented the adjustable Bbl, he bent them in the fork of a tree or bumper of a car, or trailer hitch.
Also in 1968-70 at the Ohio State shoot you could not pull your squads and shoot with your buddy, you filled out entry card and they squaded you, you had to go to postings to find out what trap you shot on, and who with.
That is something that should have continued. Now it's the good-ole boy thing
I want to shoot with my buddies, they have better timing, they shoot faster,
they shoot K-80s and not Automatics that throw shells at me, they don't shoot pump guns, and now it is Seitz's, Bowen's, Kolar's. How much would the effect of shooting with un-known shooters, un-known squad starting points, not being able to pick their traps, their banks, where their traps are beside each other and did not have to walk 20 traps to their next trap down in the gully and the one's up on top of the hill, the ones over the pond, the ones with the tall close trees, the one behind the JETS taking off and planes landing coming in over your head. I think I would call them a bunch of crybabies.
Drawing starting traps just before the first squad goes out should be the norm.
Oh gee I can't park my car behind my trap. One other thing is the allowed use of GOLF CARTS.
Carson Woods being responsible for the loss of Budweiser for a few years till Carson Woods was gone, Carson Woods was responsible for the COUNTY FAIR FOOD STANDS, in other words poor tasting foods. Space rentals were not enough, he wanted a cut of the sales fo the ATA, so we shooters almost quit buying the food and went across the street to FRIENDLY's.
The GOOD OLD DAYS were the GOOD OLD DAYS in a lot of ways, I have lived to see it, hope to live to see it come back, re-instate the rule book that was in effect in the 60s, and learn to leave well enough alone.
I think I said it all and enough.
Gary Bryant
Dr.longshot
Dan
