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Im an currently in the market for a bird dog. I have settled between a short hair or a springer. I was hoping some of you guys that have owned both or either would help me with my choice. I have a large home with a decent sized yard. I have three daughters 10-3-11 months. Dog will be worked in the field at least once a week, and excersized daily. Dog will be kept indoors. Thanks for your help in advance.
 
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What drew you to these two breeds? I'm assuming you like the look since they have a similar look. We had a springer spaniel when I was a kid, they are nice but you will have to bath and de-cocklebur it every time you return from hunting. German shorthair would be my pick between the two.

I would really encourage you to take a hard look at a Labrador Retriever.
 

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For me the Springer is the best choise. Great family dog and the best flushing breed I have ever hunted with...
 

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I have owned 2 German Shorthair's and 2 English Springer Spaniels. All 4 were excellent bird dogs and when I buried each one I cried for days. As you know, the Shorthair is a pointer and the Springer Spaniel is a flusher.

Based on your comments, I would recommend a Field Bred English Springer Spaniel. They are great family dogs.

Having said that, my second Shorthair slept with my son in his bed and when he went to Russia as an exchange student in his sophomore year in high school, I slept in his bed with the Shorthair.

I now own a 10 year old Gordon Setter that I bought at 10 weeks old and she sleeps with me and my wife in our bed.

I will be 67 this December and if I get another bird dog it will be an English Springer Spaniel.
 

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I trimmed my Springer Spaniel's and my Gordon Setter just before opening day and burrs are not that big on an issue.

I also like Lab's but highly prefer the smaller English/British Lab over the bigger American Lab.
 

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German Wirehair Pointer. Points, retrieves, goes in water, works much closer and slower than a shorthair. Very, very socialized. Very protective, barks at everything. I will never have another breed after sixty years with setters and Springers. Springers will always be my second choice.
 
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Garry, I agree with your assessment of the lab. I paid a little extra and bought my lab from a breeder that breeds a couple litters a year for show purposes. They are a little smaller and have that English style block head with the short snout. My lab is also a house dog and for that reason I wanted a smaller female.

Anyone interested in a lab check the link.
 

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Hi Eightbore,

What bloodlines should one look for in the German Wirehair Pointer breed?

Which kennels produce the best German Wirehair Pointers?

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Garry
 

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Several people have pointed out that a Springer should come out of field trial breeding. Show springers have lost virtually all their "Hunt"
 

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yea Im not looking for a "beauty queen". I would like a good looking dog, but I want a hunting buddy that will always show up, and a good companion for my family.
 

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No question in my mind = the English Springer Spaniel FIELD Trial dog. Once trained the ESS never forgets. In Calif. they are the most under rated dog. One of the few breeds that will retrieve dove. Upland and water work. I had them for 40 years and this is the first time I have not had a spaniel. They are so easily trained and are GREAT with kids. Fred
 

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The Wire Hair Pointer may be a great field dog but in Europe they were originally bred to be the Gamekeepers dog and would protect the property. The politically correct term they use to describe their personality is "Sharpness". The English Springer would probably be a friendlier house dog.
 

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As with any breed, make sure it's out of hunting stock. There are air heads in both breeds. A good hunting dog is an investment in both time and money. If possible watch the breeding pair hunt, get references, and do your homework.
 

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Interestingly no one has mentioned the major difference between the two breeds - The Springer is a close working flusher while the Shorthair is a pointer - frequently big runners but not always. Nothing is more fun than pheasant hunting over several Springers in my book - and I run Setters now! Think about what birds you like to hunt and what style suits you. Also if you hunt with others do they run pointers or flushers.

For a family dog the Springer would be my choice. Call Rachel Allenby @ Allenby Gunroom & Kennels www.allenbykennels.com/, Liberty Hills, TX. Great blood lines, training, size and all. A field bred Springer not quite good enough for Field trialing makes a heck of a nice bird dog.

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I know its not on your list but you might consider a German Wirehair. They are a lot calmer than shorthairs, retrieve like a lab as long as its not too cold and have a good nose. Shorthairs end up as rescue dogs frequently because they are so hyper for at least a few years. On the downside wirehairs tend to be very methodical and slow if you are used to pointers and setters.

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I am surprised that no one has thrown Brittany Spaniels into the mix.

I have owned Brits, German Shorthairs, German Wirehairs, English Pointers, English Setters, and Labs. Have hunted grouse, quail, pheasant, and lots and lots of ducks.

Quail, no contest, the english pointer.

Grouse, the wirehair.

Pheasant, they all did pretty well, no clear cut winner.

Ducks, no contest, the labs.

Overall winner for me as a combo hunting and house dog, the labs.

Second place, the Brit.

Your mileage may vary.

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If variety matters at all you won't do better than a field bred springer. In just over 2 hours on Saturday. My two boys killed 2 rabbits, 1 pheasant, 3 woodcock and 1 turkey over our springer. She beautifully flushed everything with in range. The turkey flock she broke and we called a gobbler back in. All of that and she loves to hunt grouse as well. She's been a great house dog and loves all four of my kids.
 
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