TTT
Geco mod 1919 22lr pump
Anyone have any info on these old 22's? or anyone have one or parts for sale?
I pick one up at my father in laws today missing the forearm a bit of rust which I can take care of but would like to see what it will take to get it back in action.
THANKS ahead of time...
I pick one up at my father in laws today missing the forearm a bit of rust which I can take care of but would like to see what it will take to get it back in action.
THANKS ahead of time...
- Status
- Not open for further replies.
1 - 19 of 19 Posts
RIck,
The rifle is a Wichester. I thought all Winchester's were made in the US. Maybe I am wrong. Again...
The rifle is a Wichester. I thought all Winchester's were made in the US. Maybe I am wrong. Again...
I will be posting pics tomorrow. I have never seen a pump like this one the whole top quarter of the action slides back with a pull. I have not cycled any rounds through it(yet) but it is tube fed and the trigger is smooth and works like it must have 100 years ago.
Do you have a model 1890 Winchester? The 1890 was chambered for 22 long rifle in 1919 If I remember right. Need pictures or more info.
Yes I will post pictures as soon as I get off of work. I do not see any marking stating 1890. The top of the barrel shows Geco carbiner 1919 mod. 22 long rifle and on the metal part of the top of the grip the Winchester logo is.
Found last night that the rounds are getting hung up in the follower and not letting them feed into the chamber. I am not sure if I am missing a part or not. I also found that this may be an 1890 not a 1919. I am unsure about that. Anybody got any ideas??
I need a blow out of the inards/follower and extractor. I could not get them to cycle correctly.
I was looking at the rifle last night broke it down cleaned out the barrel and tube/mag. Re inserted some rounds and did some measurments. I came to the conclusion that the 22 long rifle rounds are about .2" too long. I may have as you stated a trigger/follower assembly made for a 22 long or 22WRF. Now to find ammo for these and give it a wirl.
Why don't you try a .22 long. I have an old pistol which will only take a long.
Bill
Bill
The Winchester 1890 was made with a 24" octagon barrel. Most were built with a straight grip. A few with pistol grips were made later in production, but are rare. Buttplate was a steel crescent.
It was chambered for .22 Short, .22 Long, .22 Long Rifle, or .22 WRF. The .22 Short, Long and LR chamberings were NOT interchangeable. Meaning a .22 Short would not feed in a .22 Long or LR gun, nor a .22 Long work in a .22 LR.
The .22 WRF dimensionally looks like a short .22 WMRF. It does not use a heel based bullet like the .22 Short, Long or LR.
The .22 LR was added in 1919. Model 1890s were cataloged up to 1932. Final parts cleanup was in 1941. Despite the long run, the .22 LR models are scarce because the 1890 was mostly displaced by the Winchester 1906, which was an improved design.
Variations: The original 1980s were solid frame. After the first 15,000 the frame was switched to a takedown in 1892. In 1906 a locking cut was made in the top of the receiver. Barrels were blued. The receiver was case hardened until 1901, then switched to blue. Shorter barrels available on special order.
-------------
The Winchester 1906 models made after 1908 have a modified receiver that would interchangeably feed the .22 Short, Long or LR. The barrel is 20" and round only. Those made in the first two years of production are chambered for .22 Short only. Buttplaces were composition in the "shotgun"pattern (nearly flat).
These were made in two basic versions - Standard and Expert. Standard have a straight grip with a round forend with grooves. Expert models have a pistol grip and a forend that has a contour to it - fat in the middle, tapering down towards the ends, then flaring up. RickN's pic above shows the Expert stocks (and is, in fact, either a 1906 or a rebarreled and restocked 1890).
Variations: By 1924 three finishes were cataloged for both versions. All parts blued. Blued with nickeled receiver, bolt and trigger guard. Everything nickeled.
There were also Gallery models made in .22 Short only for use at indoor ranges, carnival galleries, etc.
The Model 1906 was discontinued in 1932, with parts cleanup until 1941.
-----------------
The Model 62 was introduced in 1932. Barrel was 23" and was round with a slight taper.
Standard rifles were chambered in .22 LR and would also feed .22 Short and .22 Long. Gallery models were in .22 Short only, and some Gallery models had a uniquely shaped loading port in the magazine.
Straight grip and round forend with grooves. No pistol grip version. Steel buttplate replaced by composition 1934. Forend slimmed and lengthened in 1939. Switched to semi-beavertail in 1949 on the Model 62-A.
The Model 62 was originally designed so the slide had to move 1/4" to the rear before the bolt started to unlock. In 1938 the Model 1906 reverted to the Model 1890/1906 style, where the bolt immediately starts to unlock upon movement of the slide.
The Model 62-A replaced the Model 62 in 1940. Discontinued in 1958.
It was chambered for .22 Short, .22 Long, .22 Long Rifle, or .22 WRF. The .22 Short, Long and LR chamberings were NOT interchangeable. Meaning a .22 Short would not feed in a .22 Long or LR gun, nor a .22 Long work in a .22 LR.
The .22 WRF dimensionally looks like a short .22 WMRF. It does not use a heel based bullet like the .22 Short, Long or LR.
The .22 LR was added in 1919. Model 1890s were cataloged up to 1932. Final parts cleanup was in 1941. Despite the long run, the .22 LR models are scarce because the 1890 was mostly displaced by the Winchester 1906, which was an improved design.
Variations: The original 1980s were solid frame. After the first 15,000 the frame was switched to a takedown in 1892. In 1906 a locking cut was made in the top of the receiver. Barrels were blued. The receiver was case hardened until 1901, then switched to blue. Shorter barrels available on special order.
-------------
The Winchester 1906 models made after 1908 have a modified receiver that would interchangeably feed the .22 Short, Long or LR. The barrel is 20" and round only. Those made in the first two years of production are chambered for .22 Short only. Buttplaces were composition in the "shotgun"pattern (nearly flat).
These were made in two basic versions - Standard and Expert. Standard have a straight grip with a round forend with grooves. Expert models have a pistol grip and a forend that has a contour to it - fat in the middle, tapering down towards the ends, then flaring up. RickN's pic above shows the Expert stocks (and is, in fact, either a 1906 or a rebarreled and restocked 1890).
Variations: By 1924 three finishes were cataloged for both versions. All parts blued. Blued with nickeled receiver, bolt and trigger guard. Everything nickeled.
There were also Gallery models made in .22 Short only for use at indoor ranges, carnival galleries, etc.
The Model 1906 was discontinued in 1932, with parts cleanup until 1941.
-----------------
The Model 62 was introduced in 1932. Barrel was 23" and was round with a slight taper.
Standard rifles were chambered in .22 LR and would also feed .22 Short and .22 Long. Gallery models were in .22 Short only, and some Gallery models had a uniquely shaped loading port in the magazine.
Straight grip and round forend with grooves. No pistol grip version. Steel buttplate replaced by composition 1934. Forend slimmed and lengthened in 1939. Switched to semi-beavertail in 1949 on the Model 62-A.
The Model 62 was originally designed so the slide had to move 1/4" to the rear before the bolt started to unlock. In 1938 the Model 1906 reverted to the Model 1890/1906 style, where the bolt immediately starts to unlock upon movement of the slide.
The Model 62-A replaced the Model 62 in 1940. Discontinued in 1958.
kgp912kgp, the markings on the receiver tang on your gun show it has a Winchester receiver. But the barrel markings are not Winchester. The barrel may have been replaced or it's possible Winchester supplied actions only to Geco. It's also possible Geco was simply the importer.
Please check the chambering and bore size carefully to make sure it is in .22 rimfire and not a gallery cartridge of smaller diameter. The reason I mention it is because indoor shooting was popular in the Germanic counties, using what were called Zimmer Patrones (Room Cartridges). Most were .22 BB or CB caps, but some were smaller caliber. Some of these cartridges used a round ball instead of a pointed bullet. The barrel could possibly have a different twist for this. Better safe than sorry.
Please check the chambering and bore size carefully to make sure it is in .22 rimfire and not a gallery cartridge of smaller diameter. The reason I mention it is because indoor shooting was popular in the Germanic counties, using what were called Zimmer Patrones (Room Cartridges). Most were .22 BB or CB caps, but some were smaller caliber. Some of these cartridges used a round ball instead of a pointed bullet. The barrel could possibly have a different twist for this. Better safe than sorry.
Brian,
THANKS for the info. I will have to find some way to check the chambering and bore size for this rifle. Should I take it to a smith or is there a way I can do it?
I did notice the 22 CB's in my Graf's cat. but should have the bore checked out before purhcasing some of this ammo. I can say that a 22 long rifle round does chamber with .2" sticking out and will not cycle because .2" of the bullet stays lodged in the tube.
THANKS for the info. I will have to find some way to check the chambering and bore size for this rifle. Should I take it to a smith or is there a way I can do it?
I did notice the 22 CB's in my Graf's cat. but should have the bore checked out before purhcasing some of this ammo. I can say that a 22 long rifle round does chamber with .2" sticking out and will not cycle because .2" of the bullet stays lodged in the tube.
Gently push the .22 bullet into the muzzle. The nose should snugly enter up to or almost up to the driving bands, then stop. There should be light rifling marks. Use care and do not tap on the cartridge (for obvious reasons). If you're not sure, have a gunsmith check it.
And the chamber?
Well, if you've ascertained that the bore at the muzzle is .22 (which is .222 grooves and generally .219 lands), then check with a .22 Long. If it chambers it is likely a .22 Long, since .22 LR will not chamber. If you are not comfortable with this, have a gunsmith look at it.
1 - 19 of 19 Posts
- Status
- Not open for further replies.
Trapshooters Forum
A forum community dedicated to Trap shooting enthusiasts. Come join the discussion about targets, clays, hunting, gunsmithing, gear reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more!
Full Forum Listing
Explore Our Forums
Recommended Communities
