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Depends on what you want???

If you really want a better chance to win, and see how you compare to the rest of the state's shooters, then the state shoot is where you want to be.

Now if you want to "See" the majority of "Top Dog's" shooting, while you piss your money away with very little to no chance to win, then the Southern Grand is where you want to be.

If you have enough time and money go to both. The same vendor's will be at both shoots, so there is nothing gained here. break em all Jeff
 

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Southern Grand, no question. Much better participation from out of state shooters. If you're like 99.9 % of all ATA. Shooters you're only shooting against yourself and a few buddies anyhow.
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They are scheduled for successive weeks in mid March. Two outstanding shoots back to back, what's not to like? Come for the Southern Grand and if you're shooting well or just having fun, hang around for the State Shoot.
 

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For me it's a no brainer-State Shoot. Better chance to win and more relaxed atmosphere. I don't particularly like going there anyway but ,since my State shoot is there, that is where I will be in March!
 

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I shot the Southern Grand last year , wondering if the State shoot would bring the same crowd
The Southern Grand brings in the Big Dog pros and the money players as well as those chasing All American points. The FL State shoot sees more of the normal shooter types who just love the game.
 

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According to the RJ Stuart website the Southern Grand had 5201 event entries which was down 12.84% from 2015. The State Shoot had 4267 event entries which was up 5.31% from 2015. It was the 100th anniversary of the Florida State Shoot so that may have contributed to the increased attendance.
 

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The Southern Grand brings in the Big Dog pros and the money players as well as those chasing All American points
You forgot about all the sandbaggers that play in all the classes, that make it all but impossible for a regular Joe to even win there class. The Top Dogs will win 1st, 2nd and 3rd, while the sandbaggers take all the classes down to D class. break em all Jeff

I agree with Slide Action, go to the state shoot.
 

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The top shooters also shoot the state shoot, but most are from out of state.
 

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They are scheduled for successive weeks in mid March. Two outstanding shoots back to back, what's not to like? Come for the Southern Grand and if you're shooting well or

Hi can you provide the dates for each event, FSShoot, the Southern Grand. thanks Frank
 

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Hey guys don't forget about "Uncle Phil's Handicap Weekend" shoot @ Robinson Ranch March 11-12--close to $5000.00 added $$ and there will be a special event on Sun.

Yardage groups on Sat + high gun--10 place payout on Sun for combined Sat & Sun Scores--2-100 target handicap events

Phil Berkowitz
 

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I agree there was a lot of top guys at the Southern Grand last year, but watching them is a pleasure and picking up something would be great. Can you you guys explain more on the all American Points???
 

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I agree there was a lot of top guys at the Southern Grand last year, but watching them is a pleasure and picking up something would be great. Can you you guys explain more on the all American Points???
This is from Trap and Field----
For each All-American Points event, Points are awarded for winning a Points trophy, tying for a Points trophy, and/or entering one of the top three scores over the entire field. The base value of a trophy win or tie depends on what the trophy is and whether it is won in a championship or other event. The base value is then multiplied by the shoot’s Competition Factor, which varies by attendance. In addition, if the shooter’s score ranks among the top three overall in the field (“the field” is all shooters, regardless of residence or category), he or she will also receive Score Points. These are not multiplied by the Competition Factor. Example: a shooter earning the singles championship in a state with a Competition Factor of 3 and with a field-high score of 200 would receive 40 points total for the win: 10 (base value) x 3 (Competition Factor) + 10 (Score Points) = 40 total All- American Points for this win. For more information about Trophy Points, Tie Points, Score Points, Championship and Other Points scales, and Competition Factor, see the corresponding sections in this article.
Trophy Events and trophies Trophy Points are awarded for trophy and/or Points Pin wins as reported by the tournament host to the ATA office and/or TrAP & FIElD. The report as received will be the official record from which Trophy Points are assigned. Shooters will not be eligible for Trophy Points unless their trophies are listed in the official shoot program. (Exception:All-American Points Pin Awards at Satellite Grands and ATA Zone Shoots. For a complete listing of these awards, see “All-American Points Pins” table accompanying this article.) A clear winner for each Points award must be determined. Trophy Points will not be awarded to shooters who do not have their ties determined in a conventional manner (for example, shootoff, carryover, coin flip, etc.). In a case where a clear winner is not reported, all shooters involved will receive Tie Points only. [Shoot reporters: Reports must include entry numbers for each Points event, shooters tied for each Points trophy, and results of all Points trophy tie-breakers. A trophy list and shootoff results for all ATA registered events that qualify for All- American Points is required (ATA Rulebook III, D, 1c)—Ed.] Participants who note errors/omissions in winners’ lists in T&F or on www.shootata.com are encouraged to contact the tournament host directly so that official notice of corrections may be
66 2011 ATA ALL-AMERICAN TEAM REQUIREMENTS February, 2011
Requirements: summary Selections to the 2012 ATA All-American teams will be based on Points earned during the 2011 target year (duration: Sept. 1, 2010, through Aug. 31, 2011). For an in-depth explanation of each requirement, see the corresponding sections in this article. • Candidates must meet minimum-target requirements. These requirements vary by category (men’s, women’s, junior, etc.) of team. For the chairshooter team only, there are no minimum-target requirements. • Candidates must complete the three championship events (i.e., the all-around— the main singles, handicap and doubles events) at All-American Qualifying Shoots in a minimum of three states and/or provinces. For the chairshooter team only, there is no minimum-state requirement. All- American Qualifying Shoots are the Grand American, all Satellite Grands, the five ATA Zone Shoots, all state and provincial ATA championship shoots, plus “Other Major Tournaments” (which are shoots where the championship singles, handicap and doubles entries total 600 or more). • Candidates must be an ATA member in good standing. • The ATA website, www.shootata.com,
includes team standings as well as the individual reports for all shooters who have earned any Points at any All-American Qualifying Shoot(s). Information displayed there is official and will be the basis for team selection. It is recommended that shooters check their Points assignment and standing periodically and report any problems or questions to the ATA office. Because trophy reports as received by the ATA office and/or TrAP & FIElD from tournament hosts are the official records from which All-American Points are awarded, participants may contact tournament host management directly so that official corrections to the trophy winners’ report can be forwarded to TrAP & FIElD and ATA. Errors in Points assignment or calculation may be reported directly to the ATA. • A shooter will be named to one team only. Anyone who qualifies for more than one team will be placed on the team where he or she ranks highest. (This may not necessarily be the team where he or she has tallied the greatest number of points.) To ensure that their accomplishments will be compiled for All-American team selection purposes, age-category shooters must have their birthdates on file with the ATA. To be eligible to compete for chairshooter awards and slots on the chair team, shooters must hold an ATA average card with the Chair designation. For more information on regulations regarding chairshooters, see the ATA rulebook, IV, K (Page 19).
Minimum-target requirements Men—3,000 singles, 2,500 handicap, 1,500 doubles. Women, juniors and veterans—3,000 singles, 2,000 handicap, 1,000 doubles. Sub-juniors and senior veterans—2,000 singles, 1,000 handicap and 500 doubles. Chairshooters—there are no minimum- target requirements for this team.
All-American Qualifying Shoots Candidates for All-American teams must have shot the all-around targets (the championship singles, handicap, and doubles events) at All-American Qualifying Shoots in a minimum of three states and/or provinces. (Exception: there are no attendance requirements for the chairshooter team.) Under the ATA’s All-American Awards Points System, All-American Qualifying Shoots include • the Grand American • Satellite Grand Americans (Autumn, Dixie, Empire, Great lakes, Heartland, Northeastern, Spring, Southern, Southwestern, Western) • resident ATA Zone Shoots (Central, Eastern, Southern, Southwestern, Western) • resident and Non-resident ATA State and Provincial Shoots • Other Major Tournaments—ATA shoots where entries in the singles, doubles and handicap championship events total at least 600 entries (individually or in any combination)
Any additional individual event of 600 entries or more will also be an All-American Qualifying event, with Points awarded using the “Other Events” point scale (see “ATA All-American Points System” box). All Other Major Tournaments which met the specifications to be All-American Qualifying Shoots in the 2010 ATA target year will automatically be Qualifying Shoots in 2011, regardless of 2011 attendance. (Note: the Competition Factor is based on the current target year’s attendance; in other words, the Competition Factor does not carry forward from year to year.) All-American team selection will be substantially guided by the following policy: If a qualifying All-American Points tournament is scheduled to start near the end of the current target year and scheduled to end in the succeeding target year (i.e., spanning the target years) and is canceled for whatever reason subsequent to the tournament start, any qualifying points earned will count toward the ensuing target year for All-American team purposes. (Nevertheless, the targets will be recorded and registered in the expiring target year, in keeping with rule II, B. [Page 8] of the ATA rulebook.)
Each shooter’s seven best shoots count toward selection Persons may compete in as many tournaments as they wish. However, only a shooter’s top seven All-American Qualifying Shoots (in total number of points) will be applied toward All-American team ranking/selection. Note: ranking on the ATA website shows All Points earned until after all of the Trophy, Tie, and Score Points information for the target year is input. Once all the aggregate information is included, then the minimum-target and minimum-state requirements are applied, and any shooters not meeting one or both of those minimums are removed from the overall standings. (However, the individual records of all shooters who have earned any All-American Points remain on the system and can be viewed by accessing the individual’s record.) Points will be assigned for each trophy, tie, and/or score which earns All-American Points. To determine total All-American Points earned at a given shoot, Trophy and Tie Points will be multiplied by the corresponding Competition Factor, then added to any Score Points earned. Shooters may not earn “double points” for the same trophy/score. Therefore, when two All-American Points Shoots are
ATA All-American team requirements
Competition Factor The total of the number of entries in each of the three Championship Events (singles, handicap and doubles) at All-American Team Qualifying Shoots determines each shoot’s Competition Factor. Please note: • Grand Week events have a fixed Competition Factor of 10. • Grand American Preliminary Days events have a fixed Competition Factor of 8. • Satellite Grand Americans and ATA Zone Shoots have a minimum Competition Factor of 3 and a maximum of 7. • State/provincial championship shoots and “Other Major Tournaments” (see accompanying article for details) have a minimum Competition Factor of 2 and a maximum of 7. At each All-American Qualifying Shoot, points received for each trophy win or tie (Trophy Points and Tie Points, respectively) are multiplied by that shoot’s Competition Factor to determine total Trophy and Tie Points. (Score Points are NOT multiplied by the Competition Factor but are added to the Trophy and Tie Points total.) The number of shooters completing an event as indicated in ATA records will govern in case of dispute of tournament attendance.
Total number Competition of entries Factor 5 to 500 2 501 to 900 3 901 to 1500 4 1501 to 2100 5 2101 to 2700 6 2701 to 3300 7 3301 to 3900 8 3901 and over 9
ATA All-American Points System
 
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