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I believe Federal has gone to a different primer (Cheddite maybe) in their new, cheaper 12 gauge shotshells they recently came out with. My question is, what did they do with their Federal Top Gun shells as far as primers go? I thought they were going to remain the same, but today I noticed what looked like a completely different primer.

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Federal probably finally figured out what we learned years ago - we can buy Cheddite/Noble Sports cheaper than their product. I can get 5,000 Noble Sport for $100.00, can't touch the name brands for that price. Colonel
 

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I just bought 2,000 Federal 209 primers. A guy told me they are hard and will damage firing pins. I'm reloading the paper shells and love them. Guess I'll find out the hard way.
 

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18 Grs, of o'l Green Dot with a 1 oz. load of # 8s will break any target on the field and is pretty easy on the shoulder!
I just bought 2,000 Federal 209 primers. A guy told me they are hard and will damage firing pins. I'm reloading the paper shells and love them. Guess I'll find out the hard way.
Sorry, but that's not so. Federal 209A primers are not hard. Noble Sport are.
 

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They are using their retail primer that they sell to us reloaders. It is still a federal primer.
The new Wally World shell does not contain a Federal primer.

I just bought 2,000 Federal 209 primers. A guy told me they are hard and will damage firing pins. I'm reloading the paper shells and love them. Guess I'll find out the hard way.
Oh, and how did he test them? I use quite a few and have for years and can't remember the need to replace a firing pin.
 

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Any Federal or Estate shell with a plastic base wad is a Cheddite shell and uses the larger primer. If the shell has a Paper base wad it is American made and uses the standard sized 209 primer. Field and Target shells can be either as I have seen both.
 

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Any Federal or Estate shell with a plastic base wad is a Cheddite shell and uses the larger primer. If the shell has a Paper base wad it is American made and uses the standard sized 209 primer. Field and Target shells can be either as I have seen both.
That's interesting. Has anyone seen a different primer in their Top Gun shells lately?

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I've not seen any changes in either the Top Guns or the red and yellow box Estates. To me, it seems to be the same primer it's always been. I've noticed that the color changes at times between a steel and a bronze color, but it's not the typical flat bottomed primer in the Euro shells.
 

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The new Wally World shell does not contain a Federal primer.



Oh, and how did he test them? I use quite a few and have for years and can't remember the need to replace a firing pin.
I'm sure no one he got his info from tested anything. Typical local gun club " knowledge". I'm planning on using Federal 209A's on several thousand once shot papers a friend gave me. So far they are working great. A little less recoil, good patterns.
 

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How about the primers in the new Federal Grand white hulls ? The same primer that they use in the regular Gold Medals ?
 

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The new Federal Grand.... White hulls have a..... steel base....don't go through a reloader very well...also primer seating can be rough. If you reload I wouldn't purchase them.
 

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The older Multi purpose WalMart 4 packs were the Top Gun style hull with a paper base wad. The new ones they are selling now "Field and Clay- Field and Target " or something like that ?? are a plastic base wad and are a Euro Trash metric hull, that uses an over sized European metric diam. primer and has a slightly larger internal diam. I don't know if Federal makes them in a plant overseas or what but they are different! If you try loading them with a regular Fed. 209 sized primer it will just fall out! You have to use one of the slightly oversized European metric primers. I loaded the Fed. 4 packs hulls for YEARS without a hiccup. I tried ONE BOX of the new Euro Trash hulls that come in the Federal 4 packs now loaded with US sized wads and got 5 weak shells and 4 complete bloopers! I then used some of the oversized wads made by Claybuster which are especially for the European hulls and they worked ok, but as I said you MUST use an oversized European primer in the hulls! Grumpy you can load regular Federal 209 sized in Federal PAPERS ALL DAY LONG but, THOSE Hulls are not made in Europe and are NOT oversized like the newer Wally World Federal 4 packs!
 

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I just bought 2,000 Federal 209 primers. A guy told me they are hard and will damage firing pins. I'm reloading the paper shells and love them. Guess I'll find out the hard way.
I just bought 2,000 Federal 209 primers. A guy told me they are hard and will damage firing pins. I'm reloading the paper shells and love them. Guess I'll find out the hard way.
not to worry Grumpy, I wouldn't put much stock in that statement you heard, great primers. Dennis
 

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209 (not many of those left) or (newer) 209A? Either way excellent primers, no worries. The newer 209A are supposedly a little hotter so check your data. The "guy" who told you that got his info from ??????? Ross Puls
 
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