[Dustin Flattum]

I usually load 20.1 grains of WSH in a Win AA HS hull with 9/8 oz shot in a downrange TGT 12wad. I am having a hard time finding downrange TGT12 wads at a reasonable price. I found some Winchester WAA12SL at a good price. Is this a good replacement and will these give me similar stack height. I find if I use the WAA12 (1 1/8 oz) wad, I get dished crimps and can’t get rid of the hole in the center. Thanks in advance.

 

[mat!_SW]

There is data on the hodgdon website for exactly what you're looking for .

 

[mat!_SW]

I have used both wads within their data with titewad and 700x and had no stack height issues whatsoever. I used the claybuster versions of each.

 

[mg1polo]

I usually load 20.1 grains of WSH in a Win AA HS hull with 9/8 oz shot in a downrange TGT 12wad. I am having a hard time finding downrange TGT12 wads at a reasonable price. I found some Winchester WAA12SL at a good price. Is this a good replacement and will these give me similar stack height. I find if I use the WAA12 (1 1/8 oz) wad, I get dished crimps and can’t get rid of the hole in the center. Thanks in advance.

I do not think that you have a stack height issue, but rather a loader adjustment issue. The AA HS hull loads perfectly with WAA12 wads and 20.1 to 20.9 grains of WS/HC.
The factory Super Handicap is exactly 20.9 grains with the WAA12 wad.
I would lower both your pre crimp and crimp dies.

 

[mg1polo]

There is data on the hodgdon website for exactly what you're looking for .

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Mat,
You've posted 1 oz data. The OP is loading 1 1/8th oz.

 

[Nebs]

I make that same load using a Blue Duster and they come out perfect. Too much wad pressure? Not enough crimp start? A bit of both? And it has become my favorite load.

 

[El Gordo]

I load the w12sl one ounce wad in AAHS and it loads great. 17 gr of 700x with that wad crushes targets.

 

[mg1polo]

I load the w12sl one ounce wad in AAHS and it loads great. 17 gr of 700x with that wad crushes targets.

AGAIN,
The O.P. is loading and looking for information on 1 1/8th oz loads. This thread has NOTHING to do with 1 oz loads.

 

[RGBSTI]

I,am using the Claybuster FIG. 8 wad with my wshc loads. I,am just under 20 grs powder

 

[Dustin Flattum]

Thank you for the replies. I will try the WWAA12 wad and adjust my precrimp and final die as needed. The more I load the new AA HS hull, the more I miss the old one piece CF.

 

[Curly N]

Thank you for the replies. I will try the WWAA12 wad and adjust my precrimp and final die as needed. The more I load the new AA HS hull, the more I miss the old one piece CF.

The mourning of the passing of the CF hull should have been over a decade ago, accept the loss and quit wasting time lamenting it. Move over to the Remington hulls which are still abundant and lead a happy time at the loader.

 

[El Gordo]

Mg1polo, can you please read the initial post again. I believe he began by saying he is loading 9/8 oz in a TGT 12 wad and is having trouble finding the wad at a reasonable price. His question was will the WAA12SL give him the same stack height. The only reference to 1 1/8oz was stating when he used the WAA12 wad it gave him a dished crimp. AGAIN PLEASE READ Thanks, El Gordo

 

[El Gordo]

I stand corrected mg1polo. My apologies. I miss read the thread. Not good at math. I guess that is why my wife married me. Lol

 

[mg1polo]

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[mg1polo]

El Gordo,
You posted data for 1 oz loads. Nothing to do with 1 1/8 oz loads.
The problem is that you can not use the TGT12 wad or any other 1 oz wad in a Winchester AA HS hull with 1 1/8 oz of shot. It is not correct.

 

[WNCRob]

I usually load 20.1 grains of WSH in a Win AA HS hull with 9/8 oz shot in a downrange TGT 12wad. I am having a hard time finding downrange TGT12 wads at a reasonable price. I found some Winchester WAA12SL at a good price. Is this a good replacement and will these give me similar stack height. I find if I use the WAA12 (1 1/8 oz) wad, I get dished crimps and can’t get rid of the hole in the center. Thanks in advance.

Why do you prefer a wad designed for 1.0 oz loads instead of the factory-recommended wad for 1.125 oz loads? If you're looking to buy new wads, I'd look for the wad designed for my load, either Downrange or Claybuster. After years of using Downrange wads for my 1 oz loads in Winchester hulls, I changed to Claybusters and have been very happy.

 

[flashmax]

Why do you prefer a wad designed for 1.0 oz loads instead of the factory-recommended wad for 1.125 oz loads? If you're looking to buy new wads, I'd look for the wad designed for my load, either Downrange or Claybuster. After years of using Downrange wads for my 1 oz loads in Winchester hulls, I changed to Claybusters and have been very happy.

Stack height.

 

[Nebs]

Why do you prefer a wad designed for 1.0 oz loads instead of the factory-recommended wad for 1.125 oz loads? If you're looking to buy new wads, I'd look for the wad designed for my load, either Downrange or Claybuster. After years of using Downrange wads for my 1 oz loads in Winchester hulls, I changed to Claybusters and have been very happy.

Your post demonstrates a lack of understanding of the impact of powder density on stack height. The powder the OP is using, WSH, is extraordinarily dense, causing a reduction in stack height. One way to counteract the effect of a dense powder on stack height is to use a wad designed to hold 1/8 oz. less shot than is being loaded. Such a wad has a taller crush section, raising the stack height. However, in the HS hull, the WSH powder is what the factory uses and the factory also uses the WAA12 wad. So, raising the stack height should not be necessary. In a Rem hull, the TGT12 wad would be appropriate with this powder.

 

[WNCRob]

Interesting...thanks for the insight.

 

[Steve12]

Lots of information
Remind others to read the whole thread. Sometimes we all miss and assume.
Steve