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Much better, Downrange. IMO...if your not using the XL series wads you're really missing out. For less than $10, no downside in trying 'em out.
 

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Wish they would put dimensions on a chart for their clones. I would like to try their TGT clone but don't want to bother if they vary from OEM. Have tried their house style XXL & wound up giving them away, NO bloopers but many off sounding & light feeling recoil, even had others ask what I changed & I said nothing except the wad. They were better in warm weather, but still inconsistent. Went back to OEM & CBs & issues went away. I do shoot a 7\8oz load usually 15--15&1\2 gr. 700X every thing weighed on 2 different scales so I don't think it's a data mix-up. I use the grey WW style or TGT12 interchangeably & can't tell any difference in performance, yes the TGT does dish-in a little. Anybody tried a similar load???? Thanks.

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The RT-12 as pictured in the web site measures 1.805" OA (± .010-.015" (depending on which petals you measure off of) and the shot cup measure .805" deep (again depending on the petal you use).

The RT-12 and the RF-8 (F-8 clone) share the same size shot cup. The RF-8 is ± 1.675" OA.

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<blockquote><I>"I do shoot a 7\8oz load usually 15--15&1\2 gr. 700X every thing weighed on 2 different scales so I don't think it's a data mix-up. I use the grey WW style or TGT12 interchangeably & can't tell any difference in performance, yes the TGT does dish-in a little. Anybody tried a similar load?</i></blockquote>Don't know how similar but I shoot a 7/8 oz load... Gun Club hulls, Federal 209A primers, DR XXL wads or CB grays and 16.5 grn of Clay Dot. Same performance either wad, no bloopers of odd sounders.

A friend who stays up North during the winter loads the e4xact same data and has no problems at all in cold weather.

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I've just tested the CB copy of the TGT 12 with a 7/8 oz load in STS hulls and with 17.3 gr. of Clays. I got perfect crimps, all shells fired as expected, and all broke close Sporting birds with authority. Perhaps the load you quoted, MK, just needs a little more powder to occupy space, maybe even using slower powder to counter the "dishing in." What concerned me initially was that Hodgdon suggests there is a need for a heavier charge of powder with the TGT wad than loading the same but with the Winchester style wad; 12 L. I saw no reason to be concerned but probably won't change wads that have served me well for many years.....breakemall
 

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I would like to try the DRXL1 GREEN, but I haven't found any Gold "METAL" hulls yet.....

I have to deal with snake oil salesman at least once a week at work. Everybody's is better than that one, this one, less recoil, no fouling, blah blah, blah.....

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BDodd...

I don't have a problem of any sort with the load I quoted. I was replying to Ross's asking whether anybody had tried a load similar to his. Mine look fine and shoot as well.

I guess I should have stated that I don't get dished crimps with either of the 7/8 oz wads I use. They just won't be as fast as yours with a grain more powder.

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leadvail,

The Xl-1 works perfectly in a Remington hull. I have loaded 10's of thousands and the load I use them in is my favorite 16 yard recipe.

Rem Hull
DRXL1
1 oz shot
17.2 Clays/Claydot
Win or Noble Sport primer
1225 fps/9200 psi (had them lab tested by Downrange)

I was not a believer in 1 oz trap loads until I began shooting this. In my .027 choke targets just evaporate ... all I shoot now from up close...registered or practice.
 

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I was asking about the dia. of the wads, because when I tried pushing them through the bbl.731 bore-- 36 thou. constriction (Rem. 31 TC) with a cleaning rod there was a very noticeable difference in resistance. OEM being tighter than the XXL.It's been a long time ago but I remember them as being sorta red. I load the STS hulls, I almost always use Rem. primers (since about 1962)when I got interested in trap & reloading--maybe I need the Fed. 209As??? the dished crimp was very minor, just enough to be noticeable but was better with WW grey. Obviously I'm not a speed demon as the published data that I'm using show [email protected] about 1150--1175, have been shooting this load since approx.1995. Maybe I just got a bad batch of those wads??? Thanks for the come-backs.--Ross Puls
 

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Unknown1, yeah, I knew your quoted area wasn't your experience but I didn't know how to connect any better with the questioner. Now I see it was Ross. I've been into the weenie loads ever since about 1988 when I developed one for skeet. I now find they are deadly at 16 yards (several 100s) and close sporting shots.

Ross, as I said above, I've dabbled with the weenies for a long time and even spent many a day working with them with a chronograph. My findings suggested they need enough velocity to guarantee a reliable and consistent powder burn. Your 700X may work OK when just at 1150 or so but my records show that, with 700X, I needed around 16.5 grains of 700X before the velocities settled down to mostly single digit standard deviations. With Clays, I like 16.3 or more. I don't find the need in my use for 1300 fps loads we often see promoted by others.....breakemall
 
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