I'm with Brady509 on this one, tried DR products twice-unhappy both times. Went back to CBs and\or OEMs no trouble since. With 700X & WW primers in new style HS hulls the fig.8 for 1&1\8-----TGT 12 for 1oz-- as they seem to slip past that ridge a littlt better --CB clones seem to be just as good as OEMs, at least I can't tell the difference. Ross Puls