[WesleyB]

Is that first wad green in color ??

if so I think it’s the stack height is the difference. One you can see it’s a complete fig 8. The other one one circle of the figure 8 is shorter. I have both and depends on the oz of shot and powder charges as to which one I use.

 

[peavine]

The white 8 center sections are slightly different. The Figure 8 more closely resembles the Remington Figure 8. If memory serves me, it was a patent thing. Both very good wads. If the figure 8 wads are green, they are TGT 12 replacement for one ounce or more dense powders.

 

[Doughboy]

The cb8118 is a true clone to the Rem fig8. The cb3118 was the initial clone to the fig8.

 

[phatkaw]

It was a Patent thing...
The Patent ran out years ago but they still continue to make the octagonal ones for some reason?

I learned all this ^^^ from multiple past threads.

 

[pheasantmaster]

It was a Patent thing...
The Patent ran out years ago but they still continue to make the octagonal ones for some reason?

I learned all this ^^^ from multiple past threads.

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The 3118 and 3118AR were originally released and so named the white compression 8 and red compression 8. They were marketed as “Handicap” wads that would deliver tighter/more pellets in the pattern performance.
Sometimes they will, other times they won’t.

The above is the true beginnings.

 

[NickThanos]

I call the CB with the straight angles a diamond eight, and feel they have a little less recoil. I have been using them for about 15 years & really like them.

 

[phatkaw]

The 3118 and 3118AR were originally released and so named the white compression 8 and red compression 8. They were marketed as “Handicap” wads that would deliver tighter/more pellets in the pattern performance.
Sometimes they will, other times they won’t.

The above is the true beginnings.

Don't ya just love "marketing"...

 

[pheasantmaster]

Don't ya just love "marketing"...

I guess that one needs to be creative when you spend $20,000 on a pair of molds that didn’t produce the initial marketing claim.

I just can’t understand how marketing can be so good that people believe the 3118AR is a direct replacement for the 12C1 when it has no resemblance in design whatsoever!

 

[Nebs]

I guess that one needs to be creative when you spend $20,000 on a pair of molds that didn’t produce the initial marketing claim.

I just can’t understand how marketing can be so good that people believe the 3118AR is a direct replacement for the 12C1 when it has no resemblance in design whatsoever!

What is your definition of "direct replacement." To me, it means the same, or nearly the same, OAL, diameter of the overpowder cup, crush section length and capacity of the shot cup. They can have different designs for the crush section.

 

[pheasantmaster]

What is your definition of "direct replacement." To me, it means the same, or nearly the same, OAL, diameter of the overpowder cup, crush section length and capacity of the shot cup. They can have different designs for the crush section.

Direct replacement = similar configuration/exact ballistic performance/same dimensions.

IE 1118 direct replacement WAA12
2118 direct replacement 12S3
8118 direct replacement Fig 8

 

[acorange]

I never got that either. How the AR wad could perform in any way the same as the old Fed. "pushin cushion" C1 [and C2] style wads that were made famous in the Federal champion paper shells.
They load kind of the same in Fed. papers but I think that the stack height is taller with the AR wad.

 

[Nebs]

I guess I differentiate between "direct replacements" and "clones."

 

[phatkaw]

Direct replacement = similar configuration/exact ballistic performance/same dimensions.

IE 1118 direct replacement WAA12
2118 direct replacement 12S3
8118 direct replacement Fig 8

Windjammers direct replacement anything 👎


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