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Dem Senator: 'We All Knew' Obama Was Lying<br>
by Ben Shapiro 17 Nov 2013

On Sunday, appearing on ABC’s This Week with fill-in host Martha Raddatz, Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY) admitted that Democrats knew full well that Americans would be booted from their health insurance plans as an effect of Obamacare implementation.

When asked whether Democrats were misled by President Obama about whether Americans would be able to keep their plans in the individual insurance market, Gillibrand answered: “He should’ve just been specific. No, we all knew.”

She added that the whole point of Obamacare was to “covering things people need, like preventive care, birth control, pregnancy.” The redistributive nature of Obamacare, Gillibrand stated, was the point of the program; anyone claiming ignorance, therefore, is not telling the truth.
 

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NOBODY with 2 brain cells that can talk to each other failed to understand that this monstrosity would do EXACTLY what it is doing.
The problem for America is that too many people didn't CARE. Obama "bought off" some potential opposition by promising exemptions to Big Labor...and simply LIED to everyone else.
Like Gillibrand Said:
The redistributive nature of Obamacare, Gillibrand stated, was the point of the program; anyone claiming ignorance, therefore, is not telling the truth.
 

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Steal from the rich to help the poor. It is all the rich folk's fault. Plus Bush's. Socialism at it's finest.
 

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Spin.
 

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It was in the WSJ today, that the dems knew all about it. It's a cluster.
 

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Ya just gotta love when someone post a link to the PuffingtonPost!!

It doesn't even qualify to be at the grocery check out counter!!

Those spots are for more reputable news papers like the Inquirer and Star!!!

Had ole Potter reported the "whole" story of what Karen Ignagni said, HE wouldn't have had a story to spin for readers of the PP!

Potter said;

"For people who are in those plans who have complained about their discontinuation notices, I hope they will shop around. Chances are, they'll be able to get much better coverage at a better price. Thanks to the Affordable Care Act."

Sounds similar?? every low life democrat talking head and repeated and repeated and repeated.........................

Tell a lie long enough and often enough all LIV'S will believe it as the truth!
 

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Here is another you won't see on FOX. Keep spending the millions, and millions, of dollars trying to get someone to believe your BS.



 

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Oh well, everything is fine and dandy with Obamacare, Stl reassures us. It's all a vast right wing conspiracy to make Obama look bad.

In a pig's eye.
 

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http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303531204579207724152219590

"ObamaCare Forced Mom Into Medicaid

My mother preferred to pay for her care rather than be on the government dole. Now she has no choice.

By NICOLE L. HOPKINS

Nov. 20, 2013 7:13 p.m. ET

My mother is not one to seek attention by complaining, so her recent woeful Facebook post caught my eye: "The poor get poorer." It diverged from the more customary stream of inspirational quotes, recipes and snapshots from her tiny cottage in Pierce County, Wash.

The post continued: "I just received a notice: 'In order to comply with the new healthcare law, your current health plan will be discontinued on December 31, 2013.' Currently my premium is $276 and it is a stretch for me to cover. The new plan . . . are you ready . . . projected new rate $415.20. Now I can't afford health insurance."

The unaffordable ObamaCare-compliant plan that her insurer offered in a Sept. 26 letter is not what makes my mother's story noteworthy. Countless individually insured Americans have received such letters; many are seeing more radical increases in premiums and deductibles.

But most of these people are still being offered the chance to choose what health-care insurance they will receive, or to opt out before they are automatically enrolled in a state program. Not so my mother, Charlene Hopkins, as I soon discovered when I called after seeing her Facebook post.

Since she couldn't afford the new plan offered by her insurer, she told me she was eager to explore her new choices under the Affordable Care Act. Washington Healthplanfinder is one of the better health-exchange sites, and she was actually able to log on. She entered her personal and financial data. With efficiency uncommon to the ObamaCare process, the site quickly presented her with a health-care option.

That is not a typo: There was just one option—at the very affordable monthly rate of zero. The exchange had determined that my mother was not eligible to choose to pay for a plan, and so she was slated immediately for Medicaid. She couldn't believe it was true and held off completing the application.

"How has it come to this?" she asked in one of our several talks over the past few weeks about what was happening. When she was a working mother and I was young, she easily carried health insurance for our whole family. "How have I fallen this far?"

In 2011, she had to give up her real-estate license; as a newer agent, she did not stand to earn enough in the tough market to justify the fees to renew. She has since managed to eke out a living as a substitute para-educator in the Central Kitsap School District. "I'm not on the couch, watching TV," she said. "I'm out trying to find more work every day."

Unable to secure employer-sponsored health care, she had, until this fall, chosen to pay $276 a month for bare-bones catastrophic coverage. "I think that we should be able to take care of ourselves and to earn enough money to pay for basics, and health insurance is one of them," she told me. For two years she had paid out of pocket for that plan, but now she is being told that the plan isn't good enough for her.

The Sept. 26 letter from my mother's insurer promised that the more expensive plan "conforms with the new health care law"—by covering maternity needs, newborn wellness and pediatric dental care. My mother asked: "Do I need maternity care at 52?" In addition to requiring her to pay an extra $1,677 annually, the plan would have increased her deductible by $1,500.

But she had at least been presented with an option that she could turn down, unlike on the state exchange.

The situation sounded absurd, so I asked her to walk me through her application on Washington Healthplanfinder to make sure she wasn't missing anything. Sitting in New York with my computer, I logged onto the site under her name and entered the information my mother provided over the phone. I fully expected her to realize that she had forgotten some crucial piece of information, like a decimal point in her annual income. We checked and double-checked the information, but the only option still appeared to be Medicaid. She suggested clicking on "Apply for Coverage," thinking that other options might appear.

Instead, almost mockingly, her "Eligibility Results" came back: "Congratulations, we received and reviewed your application and determined [you] will receive the health care coverage listed below: Washington Apple Health. You will receive a letter telling you which managed care plan you are enrolled with." Washington Apple Health is the mawkish rebranding of Medicaid in Washington state.

The page lacked a cancel button or any way to opt out of Medicaid. It was done; she was enrolled, and there was nothing to do but click "Next" and then to sign out.

Of course, Medicaid is not a new option for my mother; she knew that she was poor enough to qualify for cost-free health care. It was a deliberate choice on her part to pay that monthly $276 out of her own pocket. Clearly she had judged that she received a personal benefit from not being on Medicaid.

"I just don't expect anything positive out of getting free health care," she said. "I don't see why other people should have to pay for my care, whether it be through taxes or otherwise." In paying for health insurance herself—she won't accept help from her family, either—she was safeguarding her dignity and independence and her sense of being a fully functioning member of society.

Before ObamaCare, Medicaid was one option. Not the option. Before this, she had never been, in effect, ordered to take a handout. Now she has been forced to join the government-reliant poor, though she would prefer to contribute her two mites. The authorities behind "affordable care" had erased her right to calculate what she was willing to spend to preserve her dignity—to determine what she thinks is affordable.

That little contribution can mean the difference between dignity and despair.

For the truly poor, being institutionally forced to take welfare is demoralizing. The Affordable Care Act is at risk of systematizing learned helplessness by telling individuals like my mother that they cannot afford to care for themselves in the way they could before the law was enacted. "This makes me feel poorer than ever," she said.

My mother grew up, one of six children, in a dairy-farming family in Wisconsin. "The way I was raised, taking government handouts is shameful," she said. Her siblings stayed in Wisconsin, but she set out on her own. Finding herself forced onto Medicaid is not a fate that she ever would have imagined. "I guarantee I'm the only person in my family in this situation."

I'm proud to see the spiritedness and resolve that bears my mother up even now. Such character does not draw attention to itself: Its spark only catches the eye when oppression seeks to snuff it out.

Ms. Hopkins is a writer in Brooklyn, N.Y."
 

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My guess is ole Stl never watched FOX news or he/she would have NEVER made the statement, "Here is another you won't see on FOX."

Keep drinking the kool-aid, Stl!!! Its working!! on you anyways!

Keep posting from the PP, I am always ready of a big laugh!
 

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Stl does that mean that the country can expect another round of lies. As we can see Billery never had any intention of telling the truth. She does it with such ease it makes you wonder does she ever tells the truth??????

Bob Lawless
 

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She was lying back then just like she lied about Benghazi.

Brian- Good post. Read that in the WSJ this morning.
 

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Charlie I happen to think she lies all the time about anything she does. After all is said and done all she did was lie so the Messiah could get the all important boondoggle passed called Obamacare!!!!!!!.......LOL

Bob Lawless
 

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Bob- In her own words-'What difference does it make.'
 

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Are Hillary's lips moving?

Are Barack's lips moving?

Yup, they're lying.
 

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Now HHS has pushed back the mandate until AFTER the 2014 midterm elections. Another move to keep the low information voters from finding out what a POS his crowning achievement really is.

The real end game for these slick lying aholes is a single payer system. The failure of the website is just speeding us along to that end.
 

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Rick- Duchess Pelosi. Your too kind. I would put her and Hillary in to the 'Mommy Dearest' category, i.e. Joan Crawford. Might add Valerie Jarret to that also.
 
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