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I was wondering if anyone could please explain how the ATA issues yardage reductions. I know that you have an "automatic review" after 1000 birds, but what criteria does the ATA use to give a reduction. I know that there are rules regarding scores like 100 in which you can not get reduced for 2 years, etc.

Is there a percentage broken rule or what?

Also, how and when is the ATA going to issue reductions below 20 yards since they opened up the 18 and 19 at the Grand American again.

I have been shooting a couple of years and have not been punched, highest handicap score was 95. I have averaged 85 and 88 in my two years. Should I be expecting a reduction??

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Sometimes you need to contact your state delegate. Usually reductions are made with a "purified" avg. of some where under 88. I am not sure of the minimum yardage as handicap rules change with more frequency than others. If under 20 yards is for vet.s, sr vets, jr.s & sub. jr.s & ladies as it once was, unless you are one of those, it won't happen. I had been "coded" due to wins at The Grand from 27 and had major health & vision issues and documented those and still had to wait 3 years to get a reduction. Good luck.
 

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From the 2009 rule book, which can be found at www.shootata.com...

1000 TARGET REVIEW SYSTEM SUMMARY

This system has been developed through Delegate and Central Handicap
Committee input with final approval and development by the Executive
Committee. In order to explain the process clearly, several terms used in the
following over-view will first be defined.

COMPUTER REVIEW is the term used for regular 1000 Target
Reviews processed by the computer. The output from these reviews is
either a one yard reduction or a “no change” review, 8888 or 5555 listed
in the shoot location code column of the shooter’s record.

BREAK POINT is the average looked at by the computer to determine
if a reduction is warranted. Break points are different depending on
zone of residence.

Eastern Zone: 89%
Central Zone 90%
Southern Zone 89%
Southwestern Zone 90%
Western Zone 90%

HANDICAP COUNTER reflects the number of handicap targets
registered since the last earned yardage or 1000 Target Review. Said
“counter” appears on the same line as the yardage in the heading of
a shooter’s record. The “counter” is zeroed after a review or earned
yardage is entered into the shooter’s record.

PURIFIED AVERAGE is best explained as the shooter’s handicap
average after disregarding up to two handicap scores that deviate
more than 10% below the shooter’s average.

SPECIAL REVIEW is a review generated upon a shooter’s request
and/or Delegate or Central Handicap Committee request. A “Special
Review” may be for either reduction, increase, or no change. This
review is processed manually and is indicated in the shooter’s record
with 2222 in the shoot location code.

**REVIEW PROCESS**

1. The 1000 Target Review system is based upon the targets for the
current and previous target year. Any special review or earned yardage
will dictate 1,000 handicap targets be shot prior to another computer
review.

2. Shooters with a purified handicap average higher than the break point will
be listed as “within the norm of ability”, the counter will be zeroed and a
notation of 5555 will be entered into the shooter’s record. Shooters with
a purified average below the break point and 500 or more singles targets
in the current and previous target year, but not combined will receive a
one yard reduction subject to any other restrictions. This reduction can
be changed through agreement between the ATA Delegate and Central
Handicap Committeeman, with notification to the shooter being a new
card sent from the ATA office.

3. No shooter will be reduced more than three yards in any one target
year.

4. Earned yardage of 1.5 or more yards for any single event may not be
removed in part or in whole by any Committee action and/or 1000 target
review for a minimum period of 2 years from the date the yardage is
earned.

5. When multiple 100 target Handicap target events are shot on the same
day, only 2 100-target events may be considered as the maximum per
day towards a reduction. The 2 events considered must be the 2 in
which the highest scores are registered.

6. There are also codes inserted into a shooter’s record that will prevent
a yardage reduction from being granted without written direction from
the State Delegate. This code indicates that a shooter has proven his
ability. A very small minority of active shooters have restrictive codes
in their record. Most codes are removed at target year end and are
inserted back in the shooter’s record at the discretion of the State ATA
Delegate or Central Handicap Committeeman.

7. A one year hold on reductions will be given any shooter with a “D” in
their special codes. This hold is at shooter request only and notification
to the ATA office can be made in writing by the shooter or through their
Delegate. All “D” codes are removed at the end of the target year and
must again be requested for the next year.

8. No shooter with a “Y” code in their special codes will be reduced below
the 24.0 yard line unless they are a Veteran or Senior Veteran. This
is a permanent code automatically placed in a shooters records upon
reaching the 27.0 yard line.

9. Only those shooters who have registered 500 or more singles targets
in the current or previous target year will be reviewed. If a shooter
has insufficient singles targets registered, his counter will be zeroed
and he will be printed on the summary until sufficient singles targets
are registered. At such time the most current 1,000 handicap targets
will be used in the review. The following table is used to determine
“relative 16 yard average”:

16 yard average shooter cannot be reduced below
97.0% or higher 24.0 yards
95.0% to 96.9% 22.0 yards
93.0% to 94.9% 20.0 yards

10. Shooters receiving reductions will be issued an average card
showing their new yardage. This card will have “REVIEW” printed
above the date.

11. Upon receipt of a “1000 target review reduction” the shooter has
one month to take that reduction. Before the Central Handicap
Committee deems that “void”

a.) Special Circumstances:

1. Shooter is obviously shooting out of state
2. Shooter has not shot any targets since the review
3. If shooter has shot more than 500 targets from old yardage
the reduction is void.
 

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Unfortunately, there are many "27 yard" shooters who shoot reduction allowable scores, but, because they don't shoot singles anymore, never get that reduction....
 

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Maybe you could shoot practice from the 20 yard line instead of shooting 16yd all the time. You are aware that there really is no difference between the the 16 and 20 yard line other than what you allow your head to do to your shooting.

Practice from the 20 and get your confidence up and before ya know you will be able to hang with the big boys ... and it might even also help your 16 yard score as well.

There is nothing other than more shooting that will improve your score and looking or asking for a reduction is not the way to improve your score but its you that you must live with ...
 

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TJ

There is more than one criteria the ATA uses to give or reject yardage reductions. A few I can think of are sixteen yard averages, handicap averages and personal opinions by your delegate. If you have not received a reduction in the last two years and have shot enough low handicap scores to qualify for one, I suspect you have not satisfied one of the other two I have mentioned.

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I don't believe your 16 yd average has any effect on your handicap reductions as I have had a 98plus average in singles in 2007 and 2008 and was still given a handicap reduction, as I opted to do.

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4, I'm betting your reduction wasn't below the 24 yard line since that's what the rule says. Read the post above by BrowningGal if you want to know the rules, since she posted them.
 

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Delbert, well you won the bet, thanks for pointing that out about the 24 yd line,missed that in the post by Browning Gal. By the way how much where you betting??

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Thanks for all of the information. I appreciate all of the helpful posts and get a good laugh out of some others. Trapshooters are wonderful people. Off to the Gun Club, no wind and 39 degrees .. a good day in December.

I am going to take a couple of your suggestions and hopefully get punched early in 09. Goal is 27 yards within 2 years.

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TJ- If you change your goal to breaking the next target you will have a much better chance of making the 27 in a couple of years.

Pat Ireland
 
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