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Read the thread I have on here right now titled Terrible Targets. My club did us the same way and we shot league the other night and even the AA class shooters shot in the teens. You could tell some straight aways were hit and just gained speed. I went out on the range and picked up some that had 8 holes in them but did not break and the club bought a bunch of them because they got them a dollar a case cheaper than the White Flyers and our club has money so that should not have been a factor so now I don't even know if I will shoot there this summer or at least till they are gone.