[flashmax]

Looking at the Colorado state shoot squading and see that Ray Stafford is listed at 26 yards. What a travesty. If there was anyone who ever deserves an "honorariem"(spelling?) placement at 27 yds. It is Ray. Am sure he will not stay there long. Would have taken a lot of courage to reduce him i think. JMO

We all get old and slow down. Ray is a senior vet just like you and me.

 

[Ron Burdick]

It looks to me that he wants to be at a yardage where he can win. I believe that is why they have reductions.

Ron Burdick

 

[visible chip]

He could have refused the reduction and stayed on the 27, as a lot of other shooters have done. I'm sure a lot of people will notice this and I respect him going by his scores instead of pride. But I expect he will be right back on the 27 in short order.

 

[Perazzi_MX8]

John, I’d bet a soda that he’s back on the 27 before the State Shoot in June. Nothing motivates a shooter more than getting a reduction.

 

[big kahuna]

I'll take reductions AFTER I make it to the 27 yd line.

 

[jansonuhl]

I'll take reductions AFTER I make it to the 27 yd line.

I have taken reductions from the 27 down to 21. Age and bad eyes take their toll. Scores not improve but i can now see the ones i miss. Still is fun in my 80's.

 

[jansonuhl]

John, I’d bet a soda that he’s back on the 27 before the State Shoot in June. Nothing motivates a shooter more than getting a reduction.

Duane, if that was completely true, i would be on the 47 now!!!

 

[big kahuna]

I have taken reductions from the 27 down to 21. Age and bad eyes take their toll. Scores not improve but i can now see the ones i miss. Still is fun in my 80's.

I'm 65 and stuck on the 25 so I gotta step up my game this year.

 

[CROY1990]

The same rules apply to him as it does you and me. If your average is not high enough your eligible for a reduction. Ray is a Great guy who has worked very hard at the game. He deserves all that it has to give to him. JMO

 

[tomk2]

I'm just now getting to where my singles average doesnt warrant a reduction, so I jealously defend every half yard I have earned!

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[DuckNut]

Duane, if that was completely true, i would be on the 47 now!!!

Good lord - I can get off the top of the trap house.

 

[jansonuhl]

The same rules apply to him as it does you and me. If your average is not high enough your eligible for a reduction. Ray is a Great guy who has worked very hard at the game. He deserves all that it has to give to him. JMO

What is the cut line for a reduction? Ray's 2021 ave. on 2600 hdc. targets is 90.62. Seems high to get reduced to my way of thinking. JMO

 

[jansonuhl]

John, I’d bet a soda that he’s back on the 27 before the State Shoot in June. Nothing motivates a shooter more than getting a reduction.

Only a fool or someone who doesn't know Ray as you and I do Would bet against that

 

[patch]

There needs to be no yardage given for score less than a 96. If this was done we would see fewer 27 yd shooters. I know people on the 27 yd line that have never broke a 96 from any yardage. I know one guy that has never broke 100 singles, but he is standing on the 27. I think we ought to make the 27 a goal that is harder to acheive, not easier.

 

[jansonuhl]

There needs to be no yardage given for score less than a 96. If this was done we would see fewer 27 yd shooters. I know people on the 27 yd line that have never broke a 96 from any yardage. I know one guy that has never broke 100 singles, but he is standing on the 27. I think we ought to make the 27 a goal that is harder to acheive, not easier.

On my way to the 27 in 1976 i broke one score under 96. A 94 at night, in the wind, beating 3 current all americans at that time. There can be exceptions with extenuating circumstances. IMO

 

[patch]

Great shooting!!! There can be exceptions like that. I still think score not wins should get you to the 27 and once you get there if you can't keep a 90 average you should move up. It is an honor to make it to the 27, but it is hard to keep that 90 average if you shoot in all conditions. I'm speaking from experience.

 

[jansonuhl]

Great shooting!!! There can be exceptions like that. I still think score not wins should get you to the 27 and once you get there if you can't keep a 90 average you should move up. It is an honor to make it to the 27, but it is hard to keep that 90 average if you shoot in all conditions. I'm speaking from experience.

Problem with that is you get a lot of "average protectors" who will not shoot in adverse conditions. Wind mainly. Lot of wind in the spring in Colo and Wyoming(especially Wyoming. If wind quits there, half the shooters will fall over. Very bad idea to shoot against some of these 2 states' shooters in the wind.) I am NOT one of them! JMO

 

[patch]

I'm not one of those average guys, I like to shoot. I also have enough experience to know that other shooters don't beat you, regardless of conditions. Trap shooting is a game that there is no defense, you miss a target it's your fault.

 

[rw993]

Problem with that is you get a lot of "average protectors" who will not shoot in adverse conditions. Wind mainly. Lot of wind in the spring in Colo and Wyoming(especially Wyoming. If wind quits there, half the shooters will fall over. Very bad idea to shoot against some of these 2 states' shooters in the wind.) I am NOT one of them! JMO

You get some "above average shooters" bailing out of adverse weather at a shoot. It's called protecting the average or you're just a fair weather shooter. It is a game that is supposed to be fun! Some don't considered freezing while trying to have fun is their thing!