It is a stock fit problem. As Whiz suggested, it might be relatively easy to fix, or it might not be quite so easy. I struggled with the problem for nearly 30 years. Finally, with my PFS and a lot of work I have my problem 90% cured. I would start with adding a little pitch to the stock.
You suggest pitch! Would that be a drop or raise ( which ever needed ) in the stock or moving the stock into or away from the face? or both. I'm no expert and having an understanding of what you guys are talking about helps.
I got a bunch of pitch spacers and I tried them one way, then the other, then doubled and trippled up on them.
Still felt like Mike Tyson whacking me in the jaw.
Phil Kiner's video camera showed my face was still on the comb and -- wham!
Finally found a buddy who's gun didn't hurt me.
The best I can tell is that due to the structure of my cheek and jaw bones I was forced to really roll my face over the comb and get it way under my cheek bone in order to sight down the barrel.
On my friend's gun he has a really really large amount of cast off (much more than is possible with an adjustable comb) which allows me to just push it up against the side of my face with only some flesh bunching up over the top of the comb instead of bone.
I'll be getting that set up (also with a lot of toe out) built for me too along with a McCarthy Stock-Lock which works better than my beloved RADII to relieve stress on the shoulder.
Just another thing to think about though it seems with kids they frequently anticipate the recoil and lift their face off the comb.
it is most likely a pitch problem (as already stated).
you can buy a spacer and have it shaped like a wedge, thicker at the top than the bottom and it needs to be inserted on the butt pad with the thick end at the top of the heel.
the required adjustment is the bottom of the heel needs to go in and the top of the heel needs to come out.
the wedge spacer will do the job.
note - this will also affect his POI.
if you're unsure have either kevin atkinson make a spacer or contact dale tate. i'd recommend kevin atkinson for the job. unless you think he needs a complete fitting then dale is the man.
a shortcut is to buy a moleskin pad from the drug store (the stick on kind) and place that on the comb. remove his pad and place a couple of thicknesses of cardboard from a shell box in the top section of the heel and replace the pad - you can trim the cardboard to shape with a razor blade after the pad is back on.
I agree that you need to get him fitted.....but why would anyone give a kid a Benelli to shoot? They are very heavy recoiling guns....that's the main reason you seldom see one used in any type of clay target sport.....even fitted, it may still kick the snot out of him.
thanks on the correct name ( Dale ) and not Dave and to all with the helpful tips THANK YOU. I will have him fitted and see where that takes him. The gun came with a set of shims so thats the way to start or look into something like the Jones butt as mentioned.
my tournement guns started beatin' on my face after I lost a bunch of weight....nad I havent been able to afford adjustable combs for them plus I dond't know of anybody in Canada who does them. I may have to order hardware from Dennis DeVault and do it my own self.
I guess you didn't understand what we meant by the term "pitch"?, otnot explained it pretty well.
Essentially, it's the angle of the face of the buttpad in relation to the bore. If the face of the pad is 90* to the bore-line, that's zero pitch. If it's an acute angle (less than 90*) that's positive pitch, an obtuse angle (more than 90*) that's negative pitch. Most guns come with a little positive pitch but IME-----not enuf'. For instance, I just got a new Beretta 687, first time to the trap club last week it hammered my cheekbone and the toe of the pad dug into my chest. When I got home I added 3/8" of hardware store spacers under the heel of the pad, went out and shot six rounds of trap last Sunday and the kick had magically disappeared---I've done the same thing to domesticate those "hard-kickin" Ruger Red Labels, turns a lion into a pussy-cat.
Now, it depends on the build of the shooter, and there's such a thing as too much positive pitch, but generally speaking IMO most guns leave the factory with too little.
As was stated above, too little pitch is one of the primary causes of "cheek slap", which is bothering your son.
The correctness of the pitch on a stock is easy to check. The entire recoil pad, top to bottom, should make simultaneous contact with your son's shoulder as he mounts his gun. If the pointed, bottom, toe makes contact before the upper heel, the stock has too little pitch for his size and/or shape.
To correct the pitch, tapered spacers can be used if your son can tolerate the additional stock length spacers provide or the stock can be cut the the correct pitch and flat spacers can be added as he grows and needs a longer stock.
One of the benefits of a stock adjuster/pad adjuster is the ability to rotate the pad to move the toe toward the armpit. That often improves comfort and creates a more secure gun mount.
There are other causes of cheek slap but they get too involved to explain here.
Vanman, I'd suggest you get Rollin's book. It won't only help you answer these questions today, it'll be a reference you'll go back to in the future. It's a great book. In it he describes how as you pull the gun straight back, the nerves in your shoulder will tell you if the recoil pad's touching the whole shoulder at once, or if it's touching at the top or bottom first. As the pad touches the shoulder, you want the pad's top to be about level with the top of the shoulder. The Jones Adjuster helps you get this part right, as well as allowing you to turn the pad to match your shoulder's "pocket." Once the gun's touched the shoulder the mount's done, you never slide it up or down. Phil E