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This just released BATF study targets imported shotguns, determining whether they are "sporting" or not. Looks like even basic pump action riot guns for defense may wind up being banned for importation, since self-defense isn't "sporting".

Been warning people until I'm blue in the face that shotguns would wind up being scrutinized and even pump actions would wind up on the chopping block.

If anyone wants a defense version of Beretta, Benelli or HK shotguns, etc., you probably should start getting serious about it soon.
 

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Slippery slope. Once Big Brother gains traction, the end of 2nd amendment freedom won't be far off.

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Check out item #8, looks like some trap guns are gonna exceed the 10 lb weight limit for sure.

(8) excessive weight (greater than 10 pounds for 12 gauge or smaller);


Although the features listed above do not represent an exhaustive list of possible shotgun
features, designs or characteristics, the working group determined that shotguns with any one of
these features are most appropriate for military or law enforcement use. Therefore, shotguns
containing any of these features are not particularly suitable for nor readily adaptable to
generally recognized sporting purposes such as hunting, trap, sporting clay, and skeet shooting.
Each of these features and an analysis of each of the determinations are included within the main
body of the report.
 

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Seems to me with the Heller and McDonald decisions clearly stating "lawful" purposes for a firearm and self defense clearly defined as a lawful purpose it should make the sporting purposes test null and void. The sporting purpose test is the most ambiguous and threatening part of ATF regs and should be fought to be specifically overturned.

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America? I'm thinking of a different word that begins with "A".
 

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Good post Brian! That's what I like to see, a posting w/ actual facts.

Interesting to read how they define "sporting" isn't it? Sounds like some wanted less restriction but they thought that would interfere with what they already decided on rifles/pistols so they were afraid to go there.
 

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No matter the facts in this particular case....everyone that is not an NRA member better join....and then get active talking to friends and cooworkers about gun rights and support politicians that back second amendment rights...I have talked to so many gun owners over the years that won't get involved...thinking that the gov't won't really take my hunting guns....wake up people...get involved ...the time is NOW!!!!
 

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This is a prime example of why shotgunners need to march "lockstep" with handgunners. We shotgunners tend to think, "Well, ther're not looking at us......." Wrong!!!
Once they get the handguns, then it's the high capacity rifles; then it's all rifles; then it's the shotguns which hold more than two shells; then it's - yep, you got it...... double guns. Fight NOW! I believe it is called, "The camel's head under the tent" strategy. It's real, guys.
 

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I may sound crazy but always thought that firearm dealers should make it mandatory to be a member of the NRA to purchase guns or ammo.
 

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Some who only shoots one type of gun or gun sport tend to be narrow minded. Comments like mrskeet410's are infuriating.

MOST of us see the value in a united stance. Those that don't have the foresight that matches the sub-gauge (410). Pea shooters for pea brains.

We are all shooters and gun enthusiasts. We have much in common and should respect and support each others right to own and shoot guns that may not be "our cup of tea".

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Firearm Features

In reviewing the shotguns used for those activities classified as sporting purposes, the working group examined State hunting laws, rules, and guidelines for shooting competitions and shooting organizations; industry advertisements and literature; scholarly and historical publications; and statistics on participation in the respective shooting sports.

Following this review, the working group determined that certain shotgun features are not particularly suitable or readily adaptable for sporting purposes. These features include:

(1) Folding, telescoping, or collapsible stocks;

(2) bayonet lugs;

(3) flash suppressors;

(4) magazines over 5 rounds, or a drum magazine;

(5) grenade-launcher mounts;

(6) integrated rail systems (other than on top of the receiver or barrel);

(7) light enhancing devices;

(8) excessive weight (greater than 10 pounds for 12 gauge or smaller);

(9) excessive bulk (greater than 3 inches in width and/or greater than 4
inches in depth);

(10) forward pistol grips or other protruding parts designed or used for gripping the shotgun with the shooter’s extended hand.

Although the features listed above do not represent an exhaustive list of possible shotgun features, designs or characteristics, the working group determined that shotguns with any one of these features are most appropriate for military or law enforcement use. Therefore, shotguns containing any of these features are not particularly suitable for nor readily adaptable to
generally recognized sporting purposes such as hunting, trap, sporting clay, and skeet shooting.

Each of these features and an analysis of each of the determinations are included within the main body of the report.
 

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Mr. Skeet410 is no friend of guns or the shooting community with an attitude like that. You are willing to allow certain freedoms to be taken away just because it does not affect you. It is this mindset that is robbing America's freedoms.
 

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Don't panic. This is included in the report:

"The fact that a firearm or feature was initially designed for military or tactical applications, including offensive or defensive combat, may indicate that it is not a sporting firearm. This may be overcome by evidence that the particular shotgun or feature has been so regularly used by sportsmen that it is generally recognized as particularly suitable for or readily adaptable to
sporting purposes. Such evidence may include marketing, industry literature and consumer articles, scholarly and historical publications, military publications, the existence of State and local statutes and regulations limiting use of the shotgun or features for sporting purposes, and
the overall use and the popularity of such features or designs for sporting purposes according to hunting guides, shooting magazines, State game commissioners, organized competitive hunting and shooting groups, law enforcement agencies or organizations, industry members and trade associations, and interest and information groups."
 

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In July 1989…

Christian Dornier went on a rampage killing 14 people including two young girls ages 5 and 10.

Additionally he wounded eight to ten more people.

Dornier used a double-barrel shotgun.

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No one needs a double-barrel shotgun to shoot singles or handicap.

No one needs a combo gun that could be easily converted to a rapid-fire repeater.

No one needs to participate in games that simulate "blood sports" like live pigeon shooting, e.g., trap, skeet, and sporting clays.

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