Even many of the Dems I have spoken with have given up on him. One firend, a liberal NYC print media type who never saw or heard a Dem pol she didn't like, has given him up for dead. She is also PO'd at the media because she finally sees their hypocricy which heretofore was invisible to her. Rather than rub her nose in it, I am bringing her along gently. These folks do not like you to point out their errors - they are too full of themselves to accept that. You merely have to listen and just ask a question now and then. Itn they are smart enough they will reach the correct conclusion on their own.