miketmx, It is my understanding that the two about the same in density and kenetic energy . While they are SLIGHTLY less expensive than Hevi-Shot, it is still fairly pricy. Prices seem to run abot 5 to 8 bucks per flat less over all from what Iv'e seen compared to Hevi-Shot, at least in the catalogs I have seen. It may be better in stores buying it per box. Not many people around here using it yet. bigbore, I'm with you on the choke selection. I never got great results with "opened up" chokes for steel. There were still some holes in the paper when patterened with #2s and larger of the steel/iron shot. I usually stay with IMP-MOD or at the very LEAST modified.