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I don't understand why Winchester insists on pushing a sh!tty hull down our throats. We, the consumers, have spoken. We prefer the reloadability of the Remington STS's. Well, now that Remington has decided to screw over the loyal consumer in regards to component pricing; Winchester has the oportunity to regain it's customer base of the 80's & 90's if they would just admit the hull they changed a decade ago sucks. Change your hull Winchester and I'll be happy to start buying your products again. Until then, I'll continue to use STS's with Federal primers and Downrange wads.
 

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548:

I am not a fan of the new hull, either. I still have several thousands of the old CF reds and silvers. But, I do load a lot of the new HS reds and grays.

What I have noticed, and I realize this is just anecdotal, is that the newer HS hulls, the ones with the black line under the AA, seem to load longer than the older generations without splits.

I also seem to get more loads out of the gray hulls than the reds, though I have heard, forever it seems, that the only difference between the red and gray hulls is the color.

I am currently getting about 6 loadings with the grays before I drop them. Drop them not so much because they split, but just because they "look" old and nasty with burned crimps. I usually load them 4 times with 1250 fps loads and the last two with 1145 loads.

That's about the same amount of loadings as I get with Nitros and STS hulls, which I drop for the same reason. Of course the Gun Clubs just keep loading and loading and ....

So, if I can get Winchesters for just over $6 with the rebate, that's what I will buy.

Bob
 

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Where is this shortage you speak of?

My local Wal Mart just got another shipment of trap loads. They kept a stock all throughout this "shortage". They also never raised their prices like the gougers did.





I also stopped in Lynn Gipson's shop at the WSRC/Sparta today. He had a nice stash of shot shells, wads(Remington, Winchester, ClayBuster and DownRange), primers, powder, shot(Eagle, Lawrence and Remington STS) and some dandy trap guns. All were priced very reasonable. I'll be giving him some business soon.

As for the rebates, kudos to Winchester. For $54/flat after the rebate, I'll shoot Winchester AA's as long as they are offering. Premium shells with perhaps the hardest shot in the industry at budget shell price.
 

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There is nothing wrong with AA hulls. I reload thousands all the time. Granted they don't last as long (number of reloads) as a Remington hull (never have), but they work just fine. I've always been a buyer of 3 dram 7.5 AA's for almost 40 years. They crunch targets from anywhere.
 

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Its clear that if your local Walmart wanted to keep its shelves stocked with ammo they could! The Walmarts in Sparta IL and San Antonio TX always seem to have plenty, especially right before a big event is about to be held.
 

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548 is in the dark as usual. After decades of touting the Compression Formed hull as superior, they were forced to replace worn out machinery.

They took the cheap way out, new machinery for making a 2 piece hull was used,but kept the interior dimensions of the old hull. And we all know how that worked.

(watch me pull a rabbit out of my hat)

HM
 
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Halfmile, what did I say in my one post above that you are in disagreement with?

I sure can't tell by reading your rambling collection of thoughts.
 
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