We have some of the first run of production here at Lake Havasu, Thanks to Dave Siegler of Las vegas. Good shells for the money, nice looking and the 8 point crimp will make reloads easier. You mostlikly won't have to fight for them, 3 to 4 loading each. I especially like the 1oz 8.5 shell great for the 16 yard stuff. Gary, Lake Havasu City Sportsman Club