Was wondering which aftermarket chokes you guys find shoot the most consistent patterns.Just for example ( Pure Gold,Kicks,etc,etc)Any guidance would be appreciated.
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The only reason I would buy an aftermarket choke would be to go from a flush fit to extended or…if I found my poi to be off then I’d try a different choke tube but I doubt choke tubes make any difference. Briley makes good stuff but for the money Carlson is good stuff. Biggest reason to me to change choke tubes is to protect the end of the barrel.
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In that case, unless they are mis-machined, all choke tubes are equally consistent. They're just a machined metal tube. There's no magic to them. They all throw patterns that exhibit a Gaussian distribution.
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This.
It's a tapering tube, smaller at one end. There's no mystery; there's no voodoo formula.
The critical part is that they be well made and accurately labelled. This I think explains why some people say, with justification, that an after-market choke worked better than factory, or that X brand was better than Y brand. It's because the fist choke was either badly made or inaccurately labelled. Or both, of course.
I am a former Briley user. Now I have fixed chokes. Full on the unsingle and modified/full on the OU. I'm happy with that setup and I really like not having to care for the threads on the barrel and the choke tubes.
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Carlson is perfectly fine and will serve you well
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Belief is immune to facts, evidence, or reason.
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I guess what I'm trying to say is this. You're chasing something that you'll never find.
If you are looking for a choke that is "consistent" and consistent in your mind means a choke that patterns the same shot to shot, you won't find it.
All chokes throw patterns that are Gaussian, that is, if you look at the pattern it will exhibit a "bell" or "normal" distribution across it's axis.
But WHERE the individual pellets actually hit the paper is completely random, shot to shot. But the distribution WILL be Gaussian. Period.
For example, if one pattern had a big hole in the upper right quadrant of your pattern paper, you can rest assured that there will NOT be a hole in the pattern at that location for the next several shots you take.
If you shoot ten patterns on pattern paper using the same gun and the same ammunition in the same atmospheric conditions, and count pellets, and then do the math to see how many of the pellets that started off in the cartridge hit the pattern paper inside a 30 inch circle at 40 yards away, you will find that there is as much as a 10% difference between the best pattern and the worst pattern. Sometimes as much as 20%. So you take the average and report that as your gun's "pattern percentage with that choke on that day with that ammunition."
Oh, weather conditions affect patterns too. Hot humid days will result in higher pattern percentages than cold dry days.
Some truths:
- All patterns have holes.
- Anywhere where there are not pellet strikes on your paper is a hole. Some holes are just bigger than others.
- "Holes in your pattern" are not due to a fault of the choke tube you are using. It's due to the random nature of the flight path of the pellets.
- Choke tubes of Brand "B" with a given exit diameter, over the span of 10 or more patterns, meticulously counted, will pattern remarkably similar to choke tubes of Brand "C" or Brand "T" or whatever brand you put in your gun. As long as you do the pattern testing with the same gun, same ammunition, and in the same atmospheric conditions.
- If your gun is throwing patterns with what you perceive to be "too many big holes" the answer is NOT, "I need to buy a different brand of choke tube." The answer is to either 1. Use a choke tube with a tighter constriction, AND/OR 2. Use ammunition with harder pellets. These are the two best solutions to "holes in the pattern."
- "Most" factory chokes are just fine. If you want to know how they will perform, get a bore gauge and measure the difference between the barrel bore and the choke constriction at the muzzle.
- Pattern your gun at 13 yards off a bench rest to make sure the choke tube isn't throwing off-center patterns. If it is, try a different choke tube. If it still is, maybe it's your barrel.
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Well everyone is entitled to their opinion aren't they?
I quit worrying about this 20 years ago after deciding to shoot fixed choke barrels. No more worrying if I have the right choke in the barrels or if they are tight...just focus on the target and shoot. I'm never going back to barrels with choke tubes....just my opinion.
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before beretta made extended chokes; i had a factory flush choke become loose (no damage done) since i am anal about stuff i purchased briley extended, so that i can check them by hand. never patterned any choke tube for a uniform pattern. too many of you think that a aftermarket choke tube will make you a champion
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I switched to Carlson simply due to easier changes over my Invector DS factory chokes. I do have to clean a bit more often because the Carlson tubes don't have the seal, but if you shoot mostly sporting clays like I do, being able to switch one out quickly is really nice.
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There was a recent article that tested a variety of choke tube manufacturers with a variety of guns, I think it was in Shotgun Sports Mag. The test result for pattern density and consistency showed 1] solid chokes always patterned better than a ported chokes and 2] aftermarket chokes nearly always outperform factory chokes. After exhaustive testing of various combinations and permutations, he found the single best choke for pattern uniformity was... wait for it... wait for it... Muller chokes. I didn't see that coming, so I gave Muller #3 (LF .030) a test in my CG Summit. I have used CG factory, Briley and Rhino and I noted for some reason Muller stay a little cleaner, patterns well, but as many of you know, they have had a few catastrophic failures with their chokes that gives you pause. Moreover, since Muller chokes are aluminum they don't work with a flat magnetic rest pad, so I had to get a side magnet pad from Heritage Workcraft. Muller #3 (LF) felt a little tight for 16 yds, I liked it for practice, but I went back to my Rhino Gen2 IM (.025). Albeit Rhino's are stainless or titanium, they finish their extended chokes with a steel color band of your choosing that works with a normal flat magnetic rest. I don't know if the differences in Briley, Carlson, Muller, etc. are noticeable from 16 yds for the sam constriction, but would guess the variances would have an impact at 27 yds on a .025 and higher constriction.
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Magazines are notorious shills for advertisers. Much like relying on advice solicited on the internet.
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