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Last weekend I heard that there has been some problems with base inserts in
new style AA hulls coming out after reloading [resizing] and sticking in the
barrel making for a dangerous situation. Is this true or some "urban" legend?
I am a little concerned as I reload AAs but so far am still working my way thru a stash of old hulls that I still have.

Thanks for whatever light anyone out there can shed on this.

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I had moved a few base wads in the 1st generation 2 piece hulls (boxes around the AA). Most of them were moved up by the primer during reloading on my P-W press because the P-W doesn't apply pressure to the base wad from the inside like the MEC presses do. I DID have 1 that I found up inside the hull near the crimps after I fired it. Never had one come out completely.

That being said, Winchester has changed the way the base wad is held in the hull by adding a pair of ribs that run around the inside of the hull at the base wad and clamp it in place. I have loaded thousands of the 2nd (no box) and 3rd (no box, head stamp "HS") generation hulls and have not found one moved base wad.

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<blockquote><I>"Urban legend. I have reloaded 100,000's of AA hulls for over 35 years. Almost no issues, none, nada.........</I></blockquote>"Almost" is a BIG word.

Besides, the hulls you reloaded for the first 25 or so years don't count here. They didn't have separate base wads.

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I've reloaded about 1500 so far and haven't seen any issues with them. I reload them 3-4 times then pitch them. Not like old school compression formed hulls which I could get around 6-8 reloads on them.
 

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I'm hardly an expert, but I've loaded perhaps 4000 new style AA's. They develop cracks around the crimp after 3-5 reloads, and I chuck them. No issues so far. I've never loaded the old style AA's, so I can't compare. Good luck!
 

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Normally the base of the crimp splits long before the base wad should become an issue. Load nice but longevity is crap!!
 

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I have been reloading the two piece AA's since they first arrived. I still have a large supply of those early hulls I reload and have never seen a loose basewad. I load on a PW. I should have seen a loose basewad by now.
 

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Make sure that the wads you use have a bevel on the edge of the base. Without it you will occasionally get the edge of the wad caught on the edge of the inner base wad, resulting in a bulged case or bulged crimp.

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Rick,

You can still go back older then what you are saying. I have some very first gen ones that are black AA's that read western AA trap handicap in red letters. These are not western hulls the are true AA just the very first ones they ran. From what I have been told they are from the first 4 months of production. I miss the old AA's I am having to cut 500 first gen AA's 20ga hulls open for a realoading mistake and that just kills me because the new ones IMOP are junk when you compare the quilty and build differances. I will keep looking for old ones to buy/aquire as long as I can.
 

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I have used a variety of wads with no bevel on the edge and have yet to have one get " caught on the edge of the inner base wad." The top of the basewad is a sharp tapered edge.
 

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I have more trouble with leaky primer tunnels than I do with splits or cracks. After 4 reloads I can count on finding black soot rings around my firing pins and on my receiver face. I know that the trash is getting into my action so it's time to junk them.

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I have loaded many thousands of the new two piece hulls of all generations. Not one loose basewad and I inspect EVERY hull I load. I have literally tried to remove the basewads and I could not do so without actually cutting or damaging the hull to do so. Just because I have not seen it, does not mean it can't happen. I have yet to have someone produce a live version of the migrated basewad in the new AA hulls. Someone did have a picture on this forum some time ago, but it's hard to tell anything from that.
 

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Jerry and Quack Shot, it amazes me how some people can ignore what is obviously a problem with deadly potential. There is plainly a problem with the first generation of the AA 2 piece hulls since so many shooters have seen a base-wad come out (including the 3 that I've seen), yet you give it no credence because you personally haven't seen it. How many firings with a bbl. obstruction do you figure your shotgun can stand before it blows up in your face and/or sends shrapnel towards your fellow shooters? There are too many good, cheap hulls available to risk it.

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Buz, I ignore nothing. I always look through the barrel before I put a shell into the chamber. Still looking for my fist loose basewad. I don't understand how it can happen to some repeatedly and yet others never see it. I load the things till they begin to split.


If a basewad were to stick in the barrel I think it would sound odd because it would block the noise of powder ignition.

I did have what looked like a white plastic washer come out of an old Remington once and stick in the barrel. I don't remember what they were called but they weren't one piece. I don't hear anyone screaming about those.
 

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I've seen almost every kind of hull failure you could imagine over the years. I have not seen a New Style AA base wad loosen up or move. I HAVE seen a TON of Eurotrash Hulls with loose basewads and will not shoot or load them. Save your breath for the people that push those hulls for reloading, since I can produce many examples of the issue and many others have seen them. I will continue to load and shoot the New Style AA hulls after careful inspection. If there were that many of them, there would be a lot of pictures, examples, and lawsuits. I also stated that since I have never seen it, that does not mean it cannot happen. I could walk accross the street and get run over by a runaway elephant. I've never seen it around here, but anything is possible. Does that mean I shouldn't cross the street? I always look both ways. I also always double check the hulls I load.
 

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It must be old time brand loyalty, which I guess might normally be a good thing. New AA's are clearly not the hull they were in the 80's. Let's assume the basewad thing is fixed with the new generation, and a double crimp is my understanding. The new AA's clearly don't load nearly as well as the old, splitting after sometimes only 3 reloads.

Move to STS or Nitro (maybe even gun clubs, but I don't care for steel bases). They cost no more than AA's, clearly reload slicker. I am struggling why anyone would stick with AA's, other than blind loyalty to the hull.

When I got into trap shooting, I bought 10 cases of AA's, knowing those were the shell of choice in the good old days. After reloading them a couple of times, I knew something was clearly different, but had not found this forum yet. Still, I reloaded them 2 times and let them fly.
 

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When the AA hull was changed to a two piece plastic unit, two shooters did send me a total of three hulls with lose base wads. All of the hulls were clearly reloaded many more times than I would load a hull.

I, ans several others posters (HM) on this site made attempts to pry the base wad out with no success. I used a band say, drill press, punches, vice grips and a solid vice and I could never get one out. I only reload my hulls 3-4 times. Handicap loads are only in new cases. Then one or two singles reloads and then they go to the first shot of doubles and on the ground. With 9,000 pounds of force pushing the base wad back against the brass, I cannot see how even a lose base wad could get into the barrel.

I am satisfied with AA hulls.

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Didreckson, I find that AA's "clearly reload slicker" on my PW2000. Rem hulls get stuck in the shell feeder and the primers don't always seat flush. That doesn't happen with AA's. Besides AA's are red, the way shotgun shells are supposed to be, and just prettier than nasty green Rem.

Pat, I doesn't seem possible that a basewad could come out with all that pressure in front but I think that can happen. After actually seeing a piece of a Rem hull stuck in my own barrel I know it is possible. The only explanation I can give is compression and rebound. Pressure makes things happen.
 
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