O.K., let me start this fur fight. I say both are excellent pump guns but IMO
I would go with the 870 simply based on the fact it is still in production & service/parts are factory available. JMO, - I wouldn't feel too bad with either one though. Colonel
I have both. The gun itself does not matter. If it fits and you shoot it well, there is no reason you need anything else unless you want to be a better doubles shooter. I have a 870 that is ugly but I can shoot. I bought a like new TC with tubes and shot an a dismal 85.
As noted, the 870 will have parts available more readily.
I am a mod 12 lover but when I was young we had a 16 yr old kid(left handed) shoot an 870 field mod and 25s were a piece of cake---Shame---He died young---
I always think of him when I see an 870---I'll tell you a story---
His father and I were out duck hunting one day---I left the father on one creek and I took the boat up another---Well when I went to start the motor it wouldn't start and it took me hrs to get it going---Luck was with us---The motor started and I got to him---When he got into the boat I asked him how he was---He said OK but I knew I was in trouble when the water was up to me tits.
He said you never leave the boat----Thanks for [email protected]
First of all, I need to say that at one time I was a 870 collector. For the money, reliabilty, parts availablity, you can't beat them. Now I have owned some model 12 traps, pre 64 and Y models, as well as a few remington 31 tc's, and a tb. The 31 was the best schucker, short stroke, and smoked targets with the best of them. One weak point on the 31 was the action bar. If you were going to shoot lots of targets best advice, get an extra action bar. Now the model 12 is a very very special gun in my opinion. If you find a model 12 that fits you and shoots were you are looking you will have a great gun for life. Great workmanship, plain and simply stated, the model 12 has the best feeling of any trap gun I have ever put in my hands & to my shoulder. With all this being said, for trap, I would take the model 12. If I was in a war zone and could only protect my life with a shotgun, I would take the 870. The model 12 has the history that no other gun has. When I think of the ATA Grand American in Ohio, two things always cross my mind, the Model 12, & Arnold Rieger. All Great Guns, but the model 12 will always be special to me and millions of other shooters.
My vote goes to the mod 12. No comparison!! There is no problem with parts. You won't need any. Back in 1975, I bought a new 870 trap gun for my son to use. He complained how much it kicked so I shot it a few times. He was right! I then promptly sold it and bought him a mod 12. Larry Evans
My older (seasoned) retired gunsmith buddy that I greatly respected told me what some of you have already stated. The 31's weak point was the action bar. The M12 had some firing pin issues. The 870 while not beautifully machined or fitted as the M12 or M31 was a better engineered shotgun. If I were going to be dropped off in AK for a year and needed a shotgun that I could literally depend my life on it wouldn't be a M12 or M31. Give me an 870. Regards, Randy
Shooting a release is easier in the 870, can reset the release by just hitting the button but on the Mdl 12 yu have to open the action and if it is tight gun you got a problem. At least in my situation the 870 wins hands down.
This post is a no brainer buy the first one you shoot well It does not matter if you are on this sight you will have both guns over time anyway it is the trap shooters curse. Both are great and affordable keep one for a back up most shooters on this sight have at least 5 back up guns it is only a guess but thats what I feel is true.