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https://www.rogerssportinggoods.com...-3-1-2-1-7-8oz-1300fps?quantity=1&shot_size=9

For $9.99 per box plus tax if you take the shot out of these 1-7/8 oz turkey loads you can get the 15g/cc shot for $1.15 per ounce. HW13 shot that is a little under 12g/cc shot costs right at $1.50 per ounce.

If you live in California and you reload hunting loads this is a great deal on some very good lead free shot. The FHW 15g/cc #7 shot is deadly on big ducks way out there.

This FHW 15g/cc #7 shot will make a 28 ga or 20 ga out perform 12 ga 3" steel shot loads on ducks. The FHW 15g/cc shot is Lead Free and legal for waterfowl hunting.

These shells are very easy to open the crimps to remove the shot.

I just called Roger's and they said they would ship to California now.
 

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I see you post on dhc too. If I were a better shooter I'd jump on this. Becoming a better shooter has been my goal and part of the reason I joined up here and started shooting 5 stand, trap and hope to start sporting Clay's as soon as the club shoots start again. Do you notice any actual differences in denser shot for birds in decoys?
 

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If you buy 100 boxes it costs $9.99 per box of five shells,plus tax for 3-1/2" 12 ga 1-7/8 oz loads with free shipping.

That comes to right at $220.00 for 11.71 pounds of 15g/cc #7 shot. HW13 shot is right at $240 to $250.00 shipped for 10 pounds of shot that is just under 12g/cc shot.

So for $20 to $30 dollars less money you get way better shot and about 1.7 more pounds of shot.

The main thing you will notice shooting FHW 15g/cc #7 shot is way less cripples and way less recoil. In a 12 ga 1 oz of shot at 1300 fps will kill ducks no problem with much less recoil than 1450 FPS 1-1/4 oz steel shot loads. This 15g/cc #7 shot makes 28 ga and 20 ga guns very efficient duck killers.

From KPY Shotshell Ballistics.
Steel #3 shot at 1500 fps gets 1.50" of gel penetration at 39.7 yards with about 190 pellets per 1-1/4 oz shell.
Steel #2 shot at 1500 fps gets 1.50" of gel penetration at 47.7 yards with about 155 pellets per 1-1/4 oz shell.
FHW 15g/cc #7 shot at 1300 fps gets 1.50" of gel penetration at 75.1 yards with about 164 pellets per 3/4 oz shell.
FHW 15g/cc #7 shot at 1300 fps gets 1.50" of gel penetration at 75.1 yards with about 192 pellets per 7/8 oz shell.
FHW 15g/cc #7 shot at 1300 fps gets 1.50" of gel penetration at 75.1 yards with about 219 pellets per 1 oz shell.

I am a firm believer that you will be a better shot shooting 3/4 oz to 1 oz loads at 1300 fps than you will be if you are shooting 1-1/4 oz loads at 1400 fps to 1500 fps.
 

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If you buy 100 boxes it costs $9.99 per box of five shells,plus tax for 3-1/2" 12 ga 1-7/8 oz loads with free shipping.

That comes to right at $220.00 for 11.71 pounds of 15g/cc #7 shot. HW13 shot is right at $240 to $250.00 shipped for 10 pounds of shot that is just under 12g/cc shot.

So for $20 to $30 dollars less money you get way better shot and about 1.7 more pounds of shot.

The main thing you will notice shooting FHW 15g/cc #7 shot is way less cripples and way less recoil. In a 12 ga 1 oz of shot at 1300 fps will kill ducks no problem with much less recoil than 1450 FPS 1-1/4 oz steel shot loads. This 15g/cc #7 shot makes 28 ga and 20 ga guns very efficient duck killers.

From KPY Shotshell Ballistics.
Steel #3 shot at 1500 fps gets 1.50" of gel penetration at 39.7 yards with about 190 pellets per 1-1/4 oz shell.
Steel #2 shot at 1500 fps gets 1.50" of gel penetration at 47.7 yards with about 155 pellets per 1-1/4 oz shell.
FHW 15g/cc #7 shot at 1300 fps gets 1.50" of gel penetration at 75.1 yards with about 164 pellets per 3/4 oz shell.
FHW 15g/cc #7 shot at 1300 fps gets 1.50" of gel penetration at 75.1 yards with about 192 pellets per 7/8 oz shell.
FHW 15g/cc #7 shot at 1300 fps gets 1.50" of gel penetration at 75.1 yards with about 219 pellets per 1 oz shell.

I am a firm believer that you will be a better shot shooting 3/4 oz to 1 oz loads at 1300 fps than you will be if you are shooting 1-1/4 oz loads at 1400 fps to 1500 fps.
Thank you for that.
 

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Can you salvage the powder and primers for an even sweeter deal?
You can remove the wads and use the primed 3-1/2" hulls or you can cut them off and trim them to make 3" hulls. On about 190 of them I put a felt wad in the bottom of the wad and put 1-7/8 oz of HW13 BB shot in them and re-crimped them. I sent some of these 3-1/2" loads to Precision for testing and they tested well below the 3-1/2" MAX pressure of 14,000 psi.

This morning I ordered 100 boxes of the 12 ga 3-1/2" 1-7/8 oz loads of FHW #7 shot. I got on the phone and made some calls to my reloading friends and all of the shot out of these 500 shells is taken when I take the shot out of them. My buddies get the shot for what it cost me and I will get 500 Federal 3-1/2" primed hulls with wads and powder in them.
 

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I ve contemplated trying HW15 in my 28 gauge but a $999 investment is a little too rich for me... maybe get a pound or 2 if I ever see that for a good price.
 

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I ve contemplated trying HW15 in my 28 gauge but a $999 investment is a little too rich for me... maybe get a pound or 2 if I ever see that for a good price.
For $104.93 you can order 7 boxes of 10 ga 2 oz loads from Rogers with free shipping, that would be 35 shells so you would get 70 ounces of shot. That would be $1.50 per ounce and that is still a great price without having to spend a bunch of money. So you could make 93, 3/4 oz 28 ga loads. Just the shot per shell would be about $1.13.

It would be pretty easy to sell 35, 10 ga factory primed hulls. It is very easy to open the crimps without damaging the hulls with a small phillip's head screw driver.
ttps://www.rogerssportinggoods.com/federal-premium-mag-shok-heavyweight-turkey-shotshells-10ga-3-1-2-2oz?quantity=1&shot_size=9
Check out the above link.
 

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Derby, a little off topic, and you’ve sent some messages before. Have you loaded 2.5” .410 with TSS? A buddy is going back and forth on a caliber for a revolver, and we were discussing the options that the Judge and Governor have with types of loads. I was thinking a larger shot size in TSS May outperform other calibers/shot types. I’ll look further into it, just thought I’d run it by you.
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I never have loaded any 410 shells with any denser than lead shot types.

With denser shot types like the Federal Heavyweight 15g/cc #7 shot and TSS #7 you wouldn't need to use bigger shot.

Look below at how these 5 different shot types and sizes compare on pellet count and gel penetration. 2.50" of gel penetration is what is recommended for killing large geese. I wouldn't recommend using lead #2 shot in a 410, I just wanted to show how lead #2 shot compares to TSS #7 shot.

Lead 11.1g/cc #6 shot at 1100 fps gets 2.50" of gel penetration at 8.4 yards and has 112 pellets in a 1/2 oz.
Hevi-Shot 12g/cc #6 shot at 1100 fps gets 2.50" of gel penetration at 16.4 yards and has 103 pellets in a 1/2 oz.
FHW 15g/cc #7 shot at 1100 fps gets 2.50" of gel penetration at 30.7 yards and has 109 pellets in a 1/2 oz.
TSS 18g/cc #7 shot at 1100 fps gets 2.50" of gel penetration at 57.4 yards and has 91 pellets in a 1/2 oz.

TSS 18g/cc #7 shot at 1100 fps gets 3.75" of gel penetration at 20 yards and has 91 pellets in a 1/2 oz.
Lead 11.1g/cc #2 shot at 1100 fps gets 3.31" of gel penetration at 20 yards and has 44 pellets in a 1/2 oz.
 
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