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I'm looking for a published hunting load to reload. 1 1/2 oz of lead shot, 2 3/4 Winchester hull, 1330 to 1400 fps. Thanks, Bill Malcolm
 

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Hodgdon shows 12 loads for 1-1/2 oz loads in Win AA 2-3/4" hulls. Seven of those loads are over 11,000 psi and the fastest load is 1260 fps.

There are much better 2-3/4" hulls for reloading 1-1/2 oz loads than Win AA hulls.

There may not be any published 1-1/2 oz loads at 1330 to 14000 fps in any 2-3/4" hull.

You may be able to reach that speed in a 2-3/4" Federal Gold Medal hull with 1-3/8 oz of lead shot.
 

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Larger shot sizes retain their velocity and energy better than smaller shot sizes. The key here is the distance to target. Lead 4's or 5's launched at 1200 fps may be going faster at 40 yards than 6's or 7 1/2's launched at 1400 fps.

Recoil of 1 1/2 oz at 1400fps will be way into the uncomfortable range.

Federal Gold Medal and the old Activ hull have more room inside than the WW and STS hulls.

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I don't think you are going to find that one in that length hull. You can get 1350 fps with an Active hull and 1 3/8 oz shot. You can buy Federal Prairie Storm 2 3/4 shells with 1 1/4 oz lead at 1500 fps. (My crane load is the 3" Prairie Storm 1 5/8oz #4 shot @ 1350 fps). AJ
 

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The problem with federal gold medal hull is that they won't stay together with 1 3/8 game loads. The hull separates 50 to 60 percent of time. Sending part of the case down the barrel could be hazardous if shooting in a hunting situation were you don't check the barrel in between shots. This is on the plastic hulls. I have not had this problem with federal papers.
 

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Get some federal papers and use the IMR site for 800X or Alliant Bluedot.Buy some copper plated shot
 

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1400 FPS is pretty wicked in a 2 3/4 1 1/2 load. I have never seen that velocity listed. As far as a good patterning load, I have never been able to beat 34 grains of Blue dot with an RP12 and a fed 209a in a Gold meadel hull. Published load about 1250 is memory serves. There has never been a Pheasant able to outrun this load. Jeff
P.S I load the old style Gold meadels so they do not separate.
 

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Bill,
When it was legal to shoot lead at ducks I would load some 1 3/8 oz copper plated 5's
Winchester Compression formed case (2 3/4"), WW 209, WAA 12R wad, 39.5 grains of Winchester 571 powder. Extremely good load out to 50 yards.

The best I could find in a 1 1/2 oz load traveled at 1260 fps. I would shoot these at geese when lead was still legal for waterfowl.

Just my 2 cents.
 

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Thanks for the comments, folks.

A friend of mine had asked me to look at loading him some shells. I don't hunt birds anymore. I checked for data as some of you have indicated, there isn't any for the parameters that he gave me. I talked to him and he wants to try an 1 1/4 oz. load.

Thanks, again. Bill Malcolm
 

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Kent has a factory load at 4.5 dram, 1.5oz 4,5, or 6 shot, listed at over 1400. I can tell you from experience, they are not very pleasant to shoot.
 

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jhoward is correct that the 4 1/4 dram Kent is punishing but there's nothing like literally smoking a target in a long yardage killer on the 5th shot!

Seriously, they work for me but at 1465 fps, can't shoot more than a half/box sprinkled through the evening. Don't know why anybody would want this load for a pheasant! The 1 1/4 oz your friend decided to try is more than enough.

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I have shot some of the Kent 4 1/4--1 1/2 oz. loads on the Annies. Very few shooters can tolerate the recoil. I had 2 boxes of them left. Opened them up and reduced shot to 1 3/8 oz. Recoil is still very bad. 1 1/4oz loads at 1330 fps.
with #5 or #6 shot will break as many long range targets and the recoil is manageable. I have tried just about everything for extremely long shots. No more kents!
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There are no loads in my loading manual for 1 1/2 oz shot over 1235 @ 11,300 psi

800-X loads are in this category

But there are some new Remington and Federal 1 1/2oz loads that are 1400fps
but only in new shells.


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1-1/2 oz at 1400 fps will kill at both ends - what is it that your friend wants to kill with that load? I hope he is not planning on shooting it in anything lighter than 10 lbs weight. 1-3/8 oz shells are commonly available in 3" and 1-1/4 in 2-3/4" shells. Fiocchi has a load available in 1-3/4 oz at 1200 fps.
 

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We shot 1 1/2 of bb's with 4 dram equivalent back in the day. Knocked the hell out of the honkers.

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The biggest 2 3/4 inch shell I have seen was the Activ 1 5/8 oz loads. Herco powder has a 1-5/8 load recipe in 2 3/4 inch hulls.
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Bill, without knowing how young, tough or whatkind of gun your friend uses, I'll make a suggestion that if your friend wants speed to stick to 1.125 loads. But I guess it matters not to me wether he wants to stay in the gun after an hour of shooting.lol

Dr Honk, I think that load used 35.5 gr with an AA12R.
 

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Jhoward writes,

"Kent has a factory load at 4.5 dram, 1.5oz 4,5, or 6 shot, listed at over 1400. I can tell you from experience, they are not very pleasant to shoot."

I shot these for 1 season chukar hunting. Wicked recoil. Also, they have no buffer so shot deformation was severe (observed by picking shot out of dead birds while cleaning).
 
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