Didn't y'all read Michael McIntosh's artice in Shooting Sportsman last month? Cylinder is all that is needed using today's loads for all types of bird hunting, other than waterfowl. Back in the 80's,Bob Brister,the late, great shooter from Houston argued the same thing in his book The Art of Shotgunning. I shot a lot of doves in West Texas and New Mexico using 20 ga. IC. Thoughts?